Thank you everyone for the input. i love the discussion, and glad I came back to this site.  I always liked reading stuff from charlest and impending doom.  In all honesty ball company does not matter to me. I just want a predictable shape and movement from my ball. when i said benchmark, its my first out of the bag cause i knew what it was going to do and i could roll it on so many patterns. i did go to a shop and went with a destiny solid, surface to 3000. not drilled yet but he said it should be a juiced up version of it and even if not i always wanted to throw something like a cyclone (which from what i hear its just a new version of it).