Author Topic: rapid fire solid with # 4 layout question? (Read 1033 times)

newbie101 · « **on:** September 22, 2009, 02:18:59 PM »

I am not sure if this would be the right forum, but I would like to ask bowlers with storm equipment:

I just ordered a RF solid on sale, planning to drill it with the #4 layout for toasted sports shot lane condition, synthetic lane. (one day tournament, after 200+ entries into the semi final-final rounds), I am wondering if this would be the right ball/drill layout combination? or should I use the troad solid or the pearl versions with this layout for the intended condition.

Thanks for your help.

Edited on 9/22/2009 10:20 PM

Goof1073 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 23, 2009, 07:04:10 AM »

I've bowled within that kind of tournament structure many times and there are many variables that will impact what the shot will be like after that much play. Sometimes folks will still be around 4th arrow (maybe even further right) and other times folks are WAY inside and lofting it. Depending upon which end of that spectra you find yourself in a RF Solid *might* work, but it would also depend on how deep you can get and exactly where the track has developed.

Drilling # 4 is a control layout which will get into a roll early and be smooth. That kind of drilling is great when the backends are dry or when you don't have to swing the ball a bunch. Again this type of drilling might work, but it would be condition specific.

Personally I've been using a T-Road Pearl with a layout closer to # 1, but given my rev rate the Pin is closer to 5-1/2 (up and over my middle finger) and the CG is just off my gripline below my ring finger. A ball like the TRP will be clean through the fronts and bounce off the dry more. Looking at your profile you don't have a ton of speed or revolutions so if you had to get deep with a # 4 layout I think it would roll / burn out and not have anything left for the backends.

I would honestly go to your pro shop and discuss the matter with them. They very well might use a weaker layout on a ball like the TRP or even a Fast.
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-Chris: DJ's Pro Shop : Auburn, MA

newbie101 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 23, 2009, 09:06:37 PM »

Thanks for your advice, the shots for me during semi to final rounds is outside 5 board, since I do not have the speed and rev. I use pin on the bridge and cg under my ring finger(4/34 x 3 polished inferno). When I bowl inside, use a polishe ball 5 1/2 x 3 1/2 pin up. which is good but leave lots of ten pins.
The middle lane around 10-20 boards, 45 ft is already toast.

So I thought of giving this #4 layout a try. When you say it would roll/burn out, is it bcause it roll early? will the troad pearl handle some carry down?

I will surely discuss it with my pro shop.

Thanks again.

newbie101 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 23, 2009, 10:01:29 PM »

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Depends on how toasted they become and how comfortable you are moving inside. Do you bowl alot of tournaments? Every tournament player needs a ball that's got a 5 3/4 - 6 inch pin to PAP distance. It's very condition specific but if you bowl alot of tournaments you see this condition alot.

I bowl tournaments as much as I can afford it here in socal (ABTA, ABT) about twice a month. my longest pin layout is 5 1/2 x 3 1/2.

The lane get really toasted in the semi/finals, shooting 16 to 10 boards your ball will hit th 4pin, swinging it outside the 10 board ball will not recover.

Th most I can bowl inside is bet. 5th and 4th arrow only. still got a lot to learn and I have low rev to begin with, try to depend on the dry board for my ball to recover.

Thanks.

Bluff · « **Reply #4 on:** September 23, 2009, 11:36:35 PM »

quote:
quote:
Depends on how toasted they become and how comfortable you are moving inside. Do you bowl alot of tournaments? Every tournament player needs a ball that's got a 5 3/4 - 6 inch pin to PAP distance. It's very condition specific but if you bowl alot of tournaments you see this condition alot.

I bowl tournaments as much as I can afford it here in socal (ABTA, ABT) about twice a month. my longest pin layout is 5 1/2 x 3 1/2.

The lane get really toasted in the semi/finals, shooting 16 to 10 boards your ball will hit th 4pin, swinging it outside the 10 board ball will not recover.

Th most I can bowl inside is bet. 5th and 4th arrow only. still got a lot to learn and I have low rev to begin with, try to depend on the dry board for my ball to recover.

Thanks.

Yea Fred you are good thats why

lol

did I scared you?
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"A man with no skills can be taught. A man with no honor, has nothing."

Goof1073 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 24, 2009, 07:03:52 AM »

So there is some new info in your posts:
- You find the shot to be outside later in the day (less play)
- Later in the day swinging past 10 is out of bounds
- You try to play out with a pin up Inferno

So what do you see others trying to do? How does the Inferno work for you going up the boards later in the day? Depending on the reaction the RF # 1 layout might work. If the outside of the lane has enough head / midlane oil to play then the # 1 layout could work out there provide it matches up correctly. I've had this layout in a weaker ball in the past and found it to actually work for me moving in when the track was truly burt around 3rd to 4th arrow...but I have more speed and a higher rev rate then you.

If there is truly a shot out then try to play it. Not sure what the Inferno is doing for you on that line but in comparision to the RF #1 it would go longer and hook harder than the RF assuming the oil is still intact. Again there are other factors here like how worn in the that area of the lane, the length of oil, etc.

If you leaving 10 pins moving deeper on the lane then a # 1 layout wouldn't help that any as it wouldn't create a sharp enough entry angle for you when going deeper. You could think about getting a good strong pearl like the TRoad Pearl and putting a weaker layout on it, but with a small pin buffer (your shop should know what that means) to help it react hard to friction.

Again...so many ideas, but I haven't seen you bowl...don't know your axis, tilt, etc. so this is best handled by your local pro shop operator.
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-Chris: DJ's Pro Shop : Auburn, MA

Bluff · « **Reply #6 on:** September 24, 2009, 01:42:26 PM »

you are bowling on the wrong side of the lane Fred

Didn't you knowall lefty wins pass few turny? lol

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"A man with no skills can be taught. A man with no honor, has nothing."

newbie101 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 25, 2009, 12:11:40 AM »

Thanks Goof1073...I agree, there is a lot of variables, some house won't let me play outside of 5 board, only inside.
But i will surely discuss it with my pro shop regarding layout 1 and 4.

thanks again.

quote:
So there is some new info in your posts:
- You find the shot to be outside later in the day (less play)
- Later in the day swinging past 10 is out of bounds
- You try to play out with a pin up Inferno

So what do you see others trying to do? How does the Inferno work for you going up the boards later in the day? Depending on the reaction the RF # 1 layout might work. If the outside of the lane has enough head / midlane oil to play then the # 1 layout could work out there provide it matches up correctly. I've had this layout in a weaker ball in the past and found it to actually work for me moving in when the track was truly burt around 3rd to 4th arrow...but I have more speed and a higher rev rate then you.

If there is truly a shot out then try to play it. Not sure what the Inferno is doing for you on that line but in comparision to the RF #1 it would go longer and hook harder than the RF assuming the oil is still intact. Again there are other factors here like how worn in the that area of the lane, the length of oil, etc.

If you leaving 10 pins moving deeper on the lane then a # 1 layout wouldn't help that any as it wouldn't create a sharp enough entry angle for you when going deeper. You could think about getting a good strong pearl like the TRoad Pearl and putting a weaker layout on it, but with a small pin buffer (your shop should know what that means) to help it react hard to friction.

Again...so many ideas, but I haven't seen you bowl...don't know your axis, tilt, etc. so this is best handled by your local pro shop operator.
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-Chris: DJ's Pro Shop : Auburn, MA

newbie101 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 25, 2009, 12:14:55 AM »

That's why, I have been wishing I was born a lefty

quote:
you are bowling on the wrong side of the lane Fred

Didn't you knowall lefty wins pass few turny? lol

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"A man with no skills can be taught. A man with no honor, has nothing."

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