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riggs

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Schlemer report on World Championship
« on: October 29, 2008, 01:20:12 AM »
Most interesting stuff is at end regarding how players worked the TV pair during practice.  Like it or not, pro bowling is about 1,000 times more complex than it was years ago.

http://www.stormbowling.com/bowling-news/story.asp?enewsid=2711&intl=True
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2008, 09:41:47 AM »
WOW!. The pattern management techniques and strategies are way ahead of anything else. It sure doesn't hurt to have a bright guy like Schlem back there in your corner either.
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2008, 09:56:51 AM »
Yeah, that was fun reading.  I always look forward to his reports.
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2008, 10:20:42 AM »
So, let me see if I've got this right... Duke destroyed the middle of the lane for Barnes and Jaros, doing something that his best buddy Voss publicly decried and denounced just a few short years ago. But Loschetter wasn't actually trying to hurt someone else's shot, he was trying to build one for himself. I wonder if Voss thinks what Duke did here is OK?

My personal opinion is that trying to destroy the shot for someone else is disgusting, BUT until something is done about it by rule (and this will never happen), I guess you have no choice but to do it. It is sad that bowling has come to this.
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2008, 10:24:27 AM »
B.I.G.

I guess new coaches/coordinators are going to be hired soon........offense and defense.

So much for thinking, hey maybe I can beat him fair and square method.  More reasons why this game is just a game and nothing else.
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2008, 10:53:45 AM »
TF300- I don't think he was referring to Barnes it was "Team Mexico," and Barnes is with Columbia (Ebonite), not Brunswick. I believe he was pointing at Rash.
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riggs

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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2008, 10:55:34 AM »
There is only one way to really limit lane management and that's to use a separate pair for practice and then start fresh on the TV pair of maybe have just 2 balls per lane on it or something like that.

I quit thinking of it as right or wrong a long time ago because all that does is take away your focus when you're competing.  It's simply a reality you have to deal with.

As I said, bowling is about 1,000 times more complex than it was years ago.
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2008, 11:35:54 AM »
If something is done w/in the rules, it's not cheating.  For the whiners above me, it was done to Duke 1st, before he did the same thing back.  A wise man once say: "What's good for the goose is good for the gander."  Have some cheese w/your whine?  Congrats Norm!!
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riggs

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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2008, 11:56:22 AM »
You nailed it Pike.  So long as the rules are what they are, you really don't have much choice.  This goes back to the long thread about setting up a pair at Nationals.  EVERY shot alters the bowling environment and the choice is not whether to practice lane management but whether to practice it in a rational manner.
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2008, 12:10:56 PM »
I love this review, the other competitors in the field knew that Duke had the best chance to win.  Sucks for them that they can't play where he could.  I hear a lot of people say that they can play the gutter......... but can they really? Just because you set the ball down on 6 and you bump the gutter 40 feet down the lane does not justify your versatility.  Duke and Walter Ray and the most consistent right handed bowlers on tour when you talk about playing the "G".  Sucks for the others, I know that wheeling the lane is always nice, but when it came to that match, "straighter was definitely greater"
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2008, 01:38:03 PM »
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So, let me see if I've got this right... Duke destroyed the middle of the lane for Barnes and Jaros, doing something that his best buddy Voss publicly decried and denounced just a few short years ago. But Loschetter wasn't actually trying to hurt someone else's shot, he was trying to build one for himself. I wonder if Voss thinks what Duke did here is OK?

My personal opinion is that trying to destroy the shot for someone else is disgusting, BUT until something is done about it by rule (and this will never happen), I guess you have no choice but to do it. It is sad that bowling has come to this.


I understand what your saying.  However, Norm Duke would of probably not went inside had Rash not jumped outside first.  I'm willing to bet others close to Duke could attest to that.

Duke would have no problem playing straight up without touching the others line.  During the Columbia 300 tourney in 06' Duke used practice to set up his outside line.  The other 4 bowlers he faced were playing inside lines and Duke never messed with their line.  Now if the others had tried to mess up his line during practice then im sure Duke would of played defense at that point.

Now I like that approach.  Let the others pick their poison.  

I also don't fault Rash for playing that card because he probably knew he wouldn't beat Duke on this day playing straight up.  So he used those tatics which is fair game.

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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2008, 01:41:55 PM »
Also keep in mind that Barnes was not trying to break down Norms line.  Barnes was trying to play Norms line.

You still can't fault Rash for trying to take his line away.  Everyone knows how good Norm is playing outside.  Barnes is usually pretty good playing outside lines but just wasn't matched up this time.  WRW is the only other guy that can really compete with Duke outside.
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chitown

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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2008, 01:42:38 PM »
Riggs, Chris S. does an excellent job with his articles.
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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2008, 01:56:48 PM »
I think this sets up the debate as to govern the amount of surface a bowler can apply to a bowling ball that is, or will be used in competition by the PBA and USBC.

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Re: Schlemer report on World Championship
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2008, 02:01:28 PM »
You can either complain about it or go home. The fact is every player or team in every sport does what they can to give themself the best chance of winning. Trying to be pure is a waste of time, you can choose this route and enjoy the satisfaction of doing the right thing (based on your value system) or you can play the game the way it is in 2008 and give yourself the best opportunity to win.

Maybe if your salary depended on these cut throat tactics to get you off the poverty line (aka 45th in points) and into a good standard of living, you would understand the case for doing WHATEVER it takes to win. Case closed.
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