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JL299

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Storm balls and the Scorpion pattern
« on: July 07, 2007, 01:08:48 AM »
Ok I know that this is more of a topic for antother forum because I am talking more about the pattern...

Ok so I bowled on the scorpion last night for the seacond time on my PBA league and the backends of this pattern flew like crazy I ended up using my Thunderstruck pearl throwing about 15 to 8 and no matter how I would hit the pocket I just could not carry at all NOBODY on my pair could carry it was just a really frustrating night....So has anyone else had this problem on the scorpion??? and what balls are you guys using on this one?
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Re: Storm balls and the Scorpion pattern
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2007, 09:33:48 AM »
I have success on this pattern with spitfire 1000 abralon, domination 1000 abralon, agent 2000 abralon, and special agent 1000 or 2000 abralon on anvil lane pro or hpl.

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Re: Storm balls and the Scorpion pattern
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2007, 09:54:48 AM »
Another one where there is no one answer because of the variables of surface, oil type and volume, etc.
That being said, one thing I look for is balls that do not have a strong change of direction or if they do are drilled real weak to tame down that strength. Last regional we bowled on Scorpion I had a lot of success playing in the track with an old Vertigo (2,000 Ab) with the pin in my track - up and left of my middle finger with CG in grip center.
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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Storm balls and the Scorpion pattern
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2007, 07:30:03 AM »
I was carrying fine with my Special Agent.  That is, until we sucked up all the oil.  Then I was screwed.  This time I think I'll know what move to make and which ball to use.
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Dan Belcher

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Re: Storm balls and the Scorpion pattern
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2007, 10:47:44 AM »
Scorpion is really frustrating me.  I'm on synthetic lanes that are just FLOODED for me on the Scorpion because I don't have a big rev rate (around 250).  Using a Special Agent, I get MAYBE 3 boards of hook on fresh oil and about 5 once the lanes break down in the 4th game.  I've tried 1000 and 500 abralon finishes, liked 500 better.  I'm basically just standing somewhere right of center and throwing the ball over about the 8 board and pointing it toward the pocket.  I haven't had to actually point the ball left on my strike ball in years, so I'm not used to it.  I keep missing my mark badly because of it.  And it's also making me throw the ball harder for some reason, which doesn't help either.  When I do get near the pocket, I leave a LOT of single pin spares.  10 pins, 7 pins, 4 pins, and so forth.  But most of the time, I'm missing my mark badly enough I'm just trying to get decent count and make the spare.

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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Storm balls and the Scorpion pattern
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2007, 12:16:04 PM »
I really had to ease off on the speed for this pattern.
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Re: Storm balls and the Scorpion pattern
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2007, 12:19:09 PM »
The volume of oil and lane surface is critical.  I recently used an Agent and Paradigm during the block of qualifying.  I had to switch back and forth as the lanes transitioned.  These two balls gave me a better reaction than other balls I tried.
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Dan Belcher

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Re: Storm balls and the Scorpion pattern
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2007, 12:19:14 PM »
That's my problem.  When I try to take off speed, I tend to miss my target to the right and I don't get as many revs.  Both of which will absolutely screw me on this pattern.  I'm not sure how to get myself to actually hit my mark and put hand in it when I'm rolling it softer.
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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Storm balls and the Scorpion pattern
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2007, 12:29:32 PM »
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I'm not sure how to get myself to actually hit my mark and put hand in it when I'm rolling it softer.


Yeah me too.  It's something I am trying to get past because whenever I want to slow things down I don't tend to release it the same.  I guess that's the thing about these patterns, eventually you are going to get to one that will make you have to try a different approach and maybe one you aren't comfortable with yet.

With this Scorpion pattern it seems like everyone has a different approach to it.  I just know the first couple of times that I tried it it was very touchy and hard to hit the pocket.  I was also trying to almost point it at the pocket or something similar but I kept having problems crossing over or skidding.  Once I calmed the armswing down and stayed as smooth as possible the ball would actually roll into the pocket over and over with a down and in shot.

Now I've seen the guys with high revs and they don't seem to have a problem getting a shiny mid range ball to turn.  

Oh and for reference I am talking about a pro anvilane surface.
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JessN16

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Re: Storm balls and the Scorpion pattern
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2007, 01:31:15 PM »
I had great luck on it with an old La Nina at 1000, believe it or not.

Jess
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Re: Storm balls and the Scorpion pattern
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2007, 02:36:30 PM »
I think that (at least at my center) straighter is greater on all the PBA patterns except for the shark.  My experience with the first run through all the patterns bowling my normal way was that it was much more difficult to manage transition trying to hook it rather tan playing them straighter.  Instead of being a 4-pin or a 10-pin, it's a washout, 2-8-10 or some combination of the big 4.  My strategy for the rest of the league is to play them as straight from out as the lane will allow.  I bowled on the Scorpion once, and it went from pretty tight at the start to wide open later.  It really shocked me how drasically they changed.
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Re: Storm balls and the Scorpion pattern
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2007, 03:01:42 PM »
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I bowled on the Scorpion once, and it went from pretty tight at the start to wide open later.


I am trying to figure that out myself.  For some reason game 3 is killing me in terms of carry.  I wasn't sure but I thought maybe the ball was dying out.  I couldn't use any of the stuff I had playing around the same area I was in before.  As a random experiment I stayed behind and practiced and found that I could play a deeper line with my Thunderstruck.  This makes no sense to me because I thought the Scorpion was heavy oil.  Maybe it is just long oil?  I thought that was the Shark though.  At any rate, I am having a hard time figuring out how it can get from point A to point B so fast and how to even tell when it is time to make the switch.

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I think that (at least at my center) straighter is greater on all the PBA patterns except for the shark.


That's the same for me.  I was thinking this shark one would be the hardest for me but actually it ended up being the Scorpion one.

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CPA

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Re: Storm balls and the Scorpion pattern
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2007, 04:22:25 PM »
Don't be afraid to make a big adjustment.  On THS, a 1 or 2 board adjustment usually works.  On the harder patterns, an adjustment can be 5 or 10 boards.  It's hard to believe things can change that fast, but they do.
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Re: Storm balls and the Scorpion pattern
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2007, 05:17:12 PM »
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Don't be afraid to make a big adjustment. On THS, a 1 or 2 board adjustment usually works. On the harder patterns, an adjustment can be 5 or 10 boards. It's hard to believe things can change that fast, but they do.  


I think that this is because of the fact that the oil is applied more evenly to the lane instead of slick inside/dry outside that your normal THS has.  The usual adjustment on a THS is 2 and 1, 3 and 1, etc.  On the PBA patterns, there isn't that puddle of oil in the middle, so in order to "get out of the zone" that's been burned up, it takes a bigger move usually coupled with a different hand position or speed.  At least this has been my experience so far.
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Re: Storm balls and the Scorpion pattern
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2007, 10:07:04 PM »
I just bowled my first set on the Scorpion...talk about flooded. Nobody's balls were turning at all. Granted I have a low rev rate, my stuff was straight as a dart and then a nice strong move to the pocket. I've never seen my Passion stay that still ever. On my left lane I basically stood at 15, straight up anywhere between 12-9 and it hit the pocket and carried great. This worked all 3 games too. On my right lane, same thing for only 1.5 games. After that the carry down was huge. Moving right gave me a squirty look, and moving left gave me a consistent look, but it destroyed the nose. I tried playing inside with my Pyro, hit the pocket more consistent, but carry was non-existent. The ball was turning too late. All in all this was my best PBA outing with a 602 (woo!). I finally made most of the spares for once, it was exciting.
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