Author Topic: Storm Code Red: Opinion Commentary (Read 8746 times)

Luke Rosdahl · « **on:** June 10, 2017, 12:24:50 PM »

First of all, PLEASE give me feedback on this. I try to be objective in my reviews. Yeah I'm a staffer, but it's not my job to lie about stuff, it's my job to know everything about a ball and tell you what it does. I'm not much of a marketing fan, I believe in giving people information and helping them end up with a product they're happy with, not promoting something to move units. If the product is good, you won't have to worry too much about marketing anyway, BUT I also wanted to get my opinion in there, which is hard to do in one video.

I'm not a huge fan of my Timeless review video. No, didn't like the ball, but I still feel it's really good for certain bowlers or certain games. In my video it sounds like I'm talking out both sides of my mouth like, "well I don't like it, but I can't talk too bad about it, but I still have to make sure I give the facts, but I still think it will be good for this type of game . ." I was just all over the place and I really don't like how that turned out. So what I'm going to do now is make two videos for each release. A straight up review, just giving you the facts and telling you what it does, but also an opinion video to tell you what I actually think about it. Some people just want facts, some people want things you can't find on a tech sheet.

The commentary for this video feels a little heavy handed . . I didn't intend to come off like such a fanboy, but I really do like this ball, and there were a few points about what's going on in the industry right now that I felt like bringing up. I don't foresee future opinion commentaries coming out like this, there will be much more about the ball and much less "extra" stuff. Please tell me what you think though, is doing two videos overkill, do you like it, do I in fact sound like I'm pulling a "bambam" by talking it up so much, etc? I don't want to lose my objective reputation, that's most important, I don't want to get the, "oh he's just another staffer, pay no attention to what he says." Thanks in advance, I know I can count on this site's users to give it to me straight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHlAzYi2PSw

Impending Doom · « **Reply #1 on:** June 10, 2017, 12:52:49 PM »

1. I don't think you could come off "bam-bam" like if you tried.
2. You liked the Code Black, stands to reason you're going to like this one.
3. Most of the "staffers" that give reviews are still using exact terminology such as pin above ring finger and mb an inch from my thumb. You give surface and drill recommendations.

lilpossum1 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 10, 2017, 01:27:58 PM »

Another fantastic video! Well done! I agree that you do not come across as just another typical staffer. You care about what you are doing and it shows

leftybowler70 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 10, 2017, 01:41:10 PM »

We need more honest staffers like you. Then we all as bowlers would truly benefit in a number of ways, as well as be well informed, and far more educated, and can make smart, and accurate decisions as to what said ball will work/not be the best choice for said condition. Keep em coming Luke!

tburky · « **Reply #4 on:** June 10, 2017, 02:54:59 PM »

awesome video Luke. Stated the facts about the ball. Honest review.

tom

michael.willis9 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 10, 2017, 03:05:14 PM »

Great video man. My only issue with you being a staffer is that it limits your reviews to storm and roto grip. I'd love to see and hear your opinions to other stuff but understand why you don't.

Luke Rosdahl · « **Reply #6 on:** June 10, 2017, 04:25:04 PM »

I've thought about that . . but yeah I've got too good of a thing going with Storm to give up, they treat me really well and I like the people. I'll be with them as long as they'll have me. My channel isn't big enough for anyone to warrant sending me comps though, and if I wasn't on with Storm, I likely wouldn't be able to do review videos period. Also, seeing as how my channel is pretty well developing on their backs, would be a really crappy thing for me to dump them if I DID ever get big enough to do something like that. Gonna dance with the girl I brung though, cause she's the best girl in the room anyway

Quote from: michael.willis9 on June 10, 2017, 03:05:14 PM

Great video man. My only issue with you being a staffer is that it limits your reviews to storm and roto grip. I'd love to see and hear your opinions to other stuff but understand why you don't.

jlee0924 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 10, 2017, 04:25:59 PM »

I find your ball review/essentials collections videos very helpful and honest. In another thread, you recommended me a Code Black as an asymmetrical version of a Marvel Pearl replacement and that was pretty spot on for what I got for my style of bowling. Looking forward to more.

lefty50 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 10, 2017, 06:20:07 PM »

On edit, I am sorry this comes across as harsh. It is honest though... Having said that, the opinion stands....

Ok wait. This is like being in Neverland... Wow. Luke, you're not the fanboy, but everyone below you sure is. I just listened to the video for the 3rd time. 9 positive comments, ZERO NEGATIVE OR EVEN "HERE'S WHERE THE BALL DOESN'T FIT" COMMENTS (Every ball is better in a certain situation). Tell me again exactly how you're honestly rating the ball with that distribution? Zero shots missed. What did you do, shoot 47 in a row?
You may have an honest intent, but show me, in even ONE spot, where you said what the ball doesn't do, or show a miss, or when to put it away. Neat trick of feigning honesty and humility while pushing the product but HOLY MACKEREL BATMAN (in honor of Adam West, who died today), this really stands out as the emperor wears no clothes. Show me, just one place in the video, just one please.
Ok, flame on, go ahead.... But you know I'm right...

JamminJD · « **Reply #9 on:** June 10, 2017, 09:29:13 PM »

Great video as with all your videos. You make good points about the balls and thats all I need to evaluate.

Luke Rosdahl · « **Reply #10 on:** June 10, 2017, 11:14:31 PM »

Hey man, I asked for feedback and this qualifies lol. Yeah that's why I said I thought this one was a little over the top. However, this is an OPINION video, this wasn't my REVIEW, so lol I can say whatever I want. So first to clarify and be clear, this is specifically an opinion video or how I feel about the ball, not my actual review video. My actual review video was up last week, BUT I don't want my opinion videos to compromise my reputation. But as long as we're on the topic, here's my actual review video to critique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqWYEKLr0-M

Now I do have a few video rules as well. Number one is no layout pictures. The layout numbers are all that matters, where my fingers go helps no one and quite possibly confuses some. Number two is no bad shots. It's completely unfair to judge a ball's capability on bad shots, I'm not going to show a shot where I miss 5 right and watch the ball miss the headpin and say it has poor recovery. I'm reviewing the ball, not myself. Number three, describe the ball based on the condition it was designed for, otherwise it would be like saying how poor a 7 iron is at putting. "Well the Sure Lock sucks on dry lanes." It's a Sure Lock . . so . . yeah. I don't feel a need to go out of my way to say something negative about a ball unless there's something negative to be said, like I felt there was with the Timeless. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOmffx9lsUs I hated that ball, it was plugged and redrilled for my wife before the release date even got here, but I had to give it a fair shake because I felt like it was going to be good for some people.

HOWEVER, this all being said, if your opinion stands, then cool because perception is reality. If it seems like I'm leaving something out or glossing over something or using some marketing angle to avoid saying something negative, then I need to address that because if you feel that way, likely there are others that feel the same. Doesn't matter what my reasons are, if it seems a certain way, then my reasons sound like excuses to cover my donkey, and I don't want that. At the same time, not going to break my video rules. Storm wants me to put layout pictures on the videos because people like seeing them, but I'm not going to do that because it can literally only cause confusion. Where my fingers are at bears zero relevance to anyone who doesn't have exactly the same PAP measurements. Don't care what the ball does on bad shots because I've seen too many videos where they show misses but aren't playing the right part of the lane for how the ball reacts in the first place, so if you're playing the wrong part of the lane and showing what happens when you miss, it's going to be different from if you miss playing the correct part of the lane, misses are completely subjective and 100% on the bowler, also bears zero relevance to the ball. Also see too many reviews that say "well it doesn't have enough traction in heavy oil and is too strong on friction so it's going to be best on medium heavy conditions." Well on the tech sheet it says it's for medium heavy conditions, so I'm also trying not to insult the viewer's intelligence. Is that fair enough, or what would you say in response? There's a happy medium here somewhere, and I would honestly appreciate a response!

Quote from: lefty50 on June 10, 2017, 06:20:07 PM

On edit, I am sorry this comes across as harsh. It is honest though... Having said that, the opinion stands....

Ok wait. This is like being in Neverland... Wow. Luke, you're not the fanboy, but everyone below you sure is. I just listened to the video for the 3rd time. 9 positive comments, ZERO NEGATIVE OR EVEN "HERE'S WHERE THE BALL DOESN'T FIT" COMMENTS (Every ball is better in a certain situation). Tell me again exactly how you're honestly rating the ball with that distribution? Zero shots missed. What did you do, shoot 47 in a row?
You may have an honest intent, but show me, in even ONE spot, where you said what the ball doesn't do, or show a miss, or when to put it away. Neat trick of feigning honesty and humility while pushing the product but HOLY MACKEREL BATMAN (in honor of Adam West, who died today), this really stands out as the emperor wears no clothes. Show me, just one place in the video, just one please.
Ok, flame on, go ahead.... But you know I'm right...

TamerBowling · « **Reply #11 on:** June 11, 2017, 09:34:56 AM »

Quote from: Luke Rosdahl on June 10, 2017, 11:14:31 PM

Hey man, I asked for feedback and this qualifies lol. Yeah that's why I said I thought this one was a little over the top. However, this is an OPINION video, this wasn't my REVIEW, so lol I can say whatever I want. So first to clarify and be clear, this is specifically an opinion video or how I feel about the ball, not my actual review video. My actual review video was up last week, BUT I don't want my opinion videos to compromise my reputation. But as long as we're on the topic, here's my actual review video to critique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqWYEKLr0-M

Now I do have a few video rules as well. Number one is no layout pictures. The layout numbers are all that matters, where my fingers go helps no one and quite possibly confuses some. Number two is no bad shots. It's completely unfair to judge a ball's capability on bad shots, I'm not going to show a shot where I miss 5 right and watch the ball miss the headpin and say it has poor recovery. I'm reviewing the ball, not myself. Number three, describe the ball based on the condition it was designed for, otherwise it would be like saying how poor a 7 iron is at putting. "Well the Sure Lock sucks on dry lanes." It's a Sure Lock . . so . . yeah. I don't feel a need to go out of my way to say something negative about a ball unless there's something negative to be said, like I felt there was with the Timeless. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOmffx9lsUs I hated that ball, it was plugged and redrilled for my wife before the release date even got here, but I had to give it a fair shake because I felt like it was going to be good for some people.

HOWEVER, this all being said, if your opinion stands, then cool because perception is reality. If it seems like I'm leaving something out or glossing over something or using some marketing angle to avoid saying something negative, then I need to address that because if you feel that way, likely there are others that feel the same. Doesn't matter what my reasons are, if it seems a certain way, then my reasons sound like excuses to cover my donkey, and I don't want that. At the same time, not going to break my video rules. Storm wants me to put layout pictures on the videos because people like seeing them, but I'm not going to do that because it can literally only cause confusion. Where my fingers are at bears zero relevance to anyone who doesn't have exactly the same PAP measurements. Don't care what the ball does on bad shots because I've seen too many videos where they show misses but aren't playing the right part of the lane for how the ball reacts in the first place, so if you're playing the wrong part of the lane and showing what happens when you miss, it's going to be different from if you miss playing the correct part of the lane, misses are completely subjective and 100% on the bowler, also bears zero relevance to the ball. Also see too many reviews that say "well it doesn't have enough traction in heavy oil and is too strong on friction so it's going to be best on medium heavy conditions." Well on the tech sheet it says it's for medium heavy conditions, so I'm also trying not to insult the viewer's intelligence. Is that fair enough, or what would you say in response? There's a happy medium here somewhere, and I would honestly appreciate a response!

Quote from: lefty50 on June 10, 2017, 06:20:07 PM
On edit, I am sorry this comes across as harsh. It is honest though... Having said that, the opinion stands....

Ok wait. This is like being in Neverland... Wow. Luke, you're not the fanboy, but everyone below you sure is. I just listened to the video for the 3rd time. 9 positive comments, ZERO NEGATIVE OR EVEN "HERE'S WHERE THE BALL DOESN'T FIT" COMMENTS (Every ball is better in a certain situation). Tell me again exactly how you're honestly rating the ball with that distribution? Zero shots missed. What did you do, shoot 47 in a row?
You may have an honest intent, but show me, in even ONE spot, where you said what the ball doesn't do, or show a miss, or when to put it away. Neat trick of feigning honesty and humility while pushing the product but HOLY MACKEREL BATMAN (in honor of Adam West, who died today), this really stands out as the emperor wears no clothes. Show me, just one place in the video, just one please.
Ok, flame on, go ahead.... But you know I'm right...

Hey Luke. Representing one of the only video reviewers that shows shots that don't make the cut, I thought it worthwhile to give you another perspective. I will start by saying I like your commentary. TamerBowling.com was pioneering this almost 10 years ago. We write full independent reviews on my site so we've been covering the actual review, whether voiceover or written, for some time. You have some conflict of interest but I think you have generally been fair. The more that people like us provide commentary, the more informed the community is.

What I wanted to say is that I disagree with your assertion that showing misses has zero value. I understand that showing a bowler missing "can be" more a commentary on the bowler but there are 2 factors in my mind. One is when the bowler doesn't actually miss, meaning the shot was a "85%" or better shot. In that case, it helps the viewer see how much forgiveness or miss room they have. And we talk about that. I mean every ball should strike if I throw it 100%. The second is truly when the bowler misses target or other significant mistake. Even in this case, there is value. Why? Because we all miss. Nobody is a machine. If I was Parker Bohn, than I have no need to see miss room :-). We actually miss on purpose sometimes to see the balls reaction. People are going to miss and I think it adds significant value to help people understand what happens to ball reaction when they miss. I realize there are a lot of factors but doing this for 10 years, I can tell you that a whole lot is transferrable, a lot more than you are implying. Showing only strikes on the same line you could say adds just as little value in your argument then, because the factors that you argue for showing only strikes are still there, e.g., the bowler, their PAP, the lane condition, the topography, temperature, rev rate, speed, you name it... Then you could literally show one single throw and call it a day.

The other thing I would like to comment on is your remarks regarding balls and their reaction on certain conditions. Most bowlers bowl only on their house shot almost exclusively. If we are more or less simulating their condition, they should know if a Sure Lock rolls like a turd or is amenable for a bowler with similar style. I mean if the Sure Lock is so condition specific, then you could argue why spend so much money on something you will never get to use...and that is a perfectly defendable logic for certain bowlers. Just saying that, that information IS information. I have been surprised many times in 10 years of reviews and 25 years of bowling with reactive equipment by the versatility of certain balls that have a specific intent from a manufacturer while at the same time disappointed by other ball reaction that should be more versatile and isn't. I can't tell you how many times I've seen another bowler absolutely kill a house shot with a super strong ball while it was simply too strong to bother for me...

Hopefully you take this commentary as healthy debate.

leftybowler70 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 11, 2017, 10:01:42 AM »

Where have you been tamer?

TamerBowling · « **Reply #13 on:** June 11, 2017, 10:03:46 AM »

Quote from: leftybowler70 on June 11, 2017, 10:01:42 AM

Where have you been tamer?

We should have the new stuff done this week. :-)

itsallaboutme · « **Reply #14 on:** June 11, 2017, 10:08:59 AM »

You need a control ball that you compare all balls to instead of comparing it to a previous release. Drill a ball and set it aside and only use it for the comparison in the video.

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