As a Hammer Head, my first ball that was not Hammer was the Timeless. After some tweaking with surface, I love the Timeless. I then purchased the IQ tour solid which I love also. It is toooooo many dam balls coming out, that they bringing back old releases. I am a new bowler and I do not want a ball that was out years ago, that the prices has been jacked up. Hell at least change the dam name. Just my $0.02.