Quote from: charlest on June 21, 2017, 04:18:24 PM

Quote from: Nmpdx on June 21, 2017, 01:46:21 PM

So I know I am in the storm section. Being that i own 6 storm balls. But does anyone feel like storm is starting to losing some ground? More and more I am starting to see Motiv around everywhere. This weekend i felt like i was the only one throwing storm in an entire house. Now dont get me wrong i love storm and my next purchase will be timeless or a Code Red but i just want to get some opinions out there and see if anyone is noticing the same.

Not remarking on the quality or lack of it in Storm's new balls, I think you're just late to the party in noticing the inroads that Motiv and others have made into Storm's portion of the bowling ball pie.

I'd suggest it was noticeable 3- 4 years ago; recently, Motiv's portion of the pie has increased even more.

As for their low end, I think the Tropical Storm, Ride and the 2 new Match series are very good balls, with a a very large range of utility, and that comes from someone who has not been a Storm user for a long time. I used to find their ball far too strong.  For the last 2 years, I have been a big user of the Tropical Breeze (now Tropical Storm, same ball) and the Ride.

Motiv definitely has that fanboy following. Follow the few motiv Facebook pages and see how people are buying every new ball they make. I've seen a few people post their collection of balls and it's literally Motivs current ball chart. To the point some people have the arctic sniper but bought the hyper sniper because it's newer. A lot of those guys are obsessed.

My big problem with Motiv is the midrange price point of their low line balls. There's no reason a tag cannon, which is their longest ball for dry lanes, should cost the same as a hyroad or daredevil. None.

Quote from: itsallaboutme on June 21, 2017, 05:48:05 PM

Who wants a ball that will skate forever then go nuts off the spot? 

98% of people that walk into a pro shop ask for it.  They may not know what they're asking for, but they ask for it.

BINGO!

Ain't ignorance bliss??
3 strikes in a row, washout, split, washout, 4 in a row, washout, split.

Quote from: michael.willis9 on June 21, 2017, 07:51:08 PM

Quote from: charlest on June 21, 2017, 04:18:24 PM

Quote from: Nmpdx on June 21, 2017, 01:46:21 PM

So I know I am in the storm section. Being that i own 6 storm balls. But does anyone feel like storm is starting to losing some ground? More and more I am starting to see Motiv around everywhere. This weekend i felt like i was the only one throwing storm in an entire house. Now dont get me wrong i love storm and my next purchase will be timeless or a Code Red but i just want to get some opinions out there and see if anyone is noticing the same.

Not remarking on the quality or lack of it in Storm's new balls, I think you're just late to the party in noticing the inroads that Motiv and others have made into Storm's portion of the bowling ball pie.

I'd suggest it was noticeable 3- 4 years ago; recently, Motiv's portion of the pie has increased even more.

As for their low end, I think the Tropical Storm, Ride and the 2 new Match series are very good balls, with a a very large range of utility, and that comes from someone who has not been a Storm user for a long time. I used to find their ball far too strong.  For the last 2 years, I have been a big user of the Tropical Breeze (now Tropical Storm, same ball) and the Ride.

Motiv definitely has that fanboy following. Follow the few motiv Facebook pages and see how people are buying every new ball they make. I've seen a few people post their collection of balls and it's literally Motivs current ball chart. To the point some people have the arctic sniper but bought the hyper sniper because it's newer. A lot of those guys are obsessed.

My big problem with Motiv is the midrange price point of their low line balls. There's no reason a tag cannon, which is their longest ball for dry lanes, should cost the same as a hyroad or daredevil. None.

Motiv's "dry" lane balls are the Freestyles and FreeStyle Rush. And you don't know what their expenses look like either, you don't just price a ball the same as everyone else just because everyone else is that price. Price is set based on supply and demand with other variables mixed in

Quote from: SVstar34 on June 21, 2017, 08:36:30 PM

Quote from: michael.willis9 on June 21, 2017, 07:51:08 PM

Quote from: charlest on June 21, 2017, 04:18:24 PM

Quote from: Nmpdx on June 21, 2017, 01:46:21 PM

So I know I am in the storm section. Being that i own 6 storm balls. But does anyone feel like storm is starting to losing some ground? More and more I am starting to see Motiv around everywhere. This weekend i felt like i was the only one throwing storm in an entire house. Now dont get me wrong i love storm and my next purchase will be timeless or a Code Red but i just want to get some opinions out there and see if anyone is noticing the same.

Not remarking on the quality or lack of it in Storm's new balls, I think you're just late to the party in noticing the inroads that Motiv and others have made into Storm's portion of the bowling ball pie.

I'd suggest it was noticeable 3- 4 years ago; recently, Motiv's portion of the pie has increased even more.

As for their low end, I think the Tropical Storm, Ride and the 2 new Match series are very good balls, with a a very large range of utility, and that comes from someone who has not been a Storm user for a long time. I used to find their ball far too strong.  For the last 2 years, I have been a big user of the Tropical Breeze (now Tropical Storm, same ball) and the Ride.

Motiv definitely has that fanboy following. Follow the few motiv Facebook pages and see how people are buying every new ball they make. I've seen a few people post their collection of balls and it's literally Motivs current ball chart. To the point some people have the arctic sniper but bought the hyper sniper because it's newer. A lot of those guys are obsessed.

My big problem with Motiv is the midrange price point of their low line balls. There's no reason a tag cannon, which is their longest ball for dry lanes, should cost the same as a hyroad or daredevil. None.

Motiv's "dry" lane balls are the Freestyles and FreeStyle Rush. And you don't know what their expenses look like either, you don't just price a ball the same as everyone else just because everyone else is that price. Price is set based on supply and demand with other variables mixed in

I fully understand expense cost but $120 for a tag is insane. And on their ball chart, the tag is listed as light oil and on the high end of the angular spectrum where as the tank is on the smoother. Maybe I'm wrong but I always viewed angular as down lane further and more turn at the end.

Still not a fan of their low end price point. Everything else seems to be equal but for some reason their low end reactive and even spare balls seem to be priced to high for my liking.

If somebody handed me a rush or tag I'd gladly throw it, but I personally would rather look to other brands if I'm looking for a light oil ball

No company will hit a home run with every release.  Typically they are trying to have a versatile lineup that would include some for heavy oil, medium oil, and light oil conditions. 

Somehow when Joe Bowler insists on buying the wrong ball for his particular situation it's the manufacturers fault...  And some balls just happen to be more condition-specific.

No, Storm isn't losing their touch at all.  In fact, several companies are putting out very good equipment.   ( I hesitated to reply here, due to my position, but hopefully this comment is viewed as fair and unbiased.)  Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming...