Author Topic: Storm Phaze (Read 25406 times)

Jamesfarm · « **on:** February 25, 2016, 06:23:45 AM »

I have the Phaze and was wondering if anyone's was not tacky like the advertising said. The surface on mine is very slick, no way anyone is palming this one!

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #31 on:** February 28, 2016, 09:10:29 AM »

Guessing the new ball motion isn't what many were expecting at the high performance price point.

Anything high performance priced that isn't a "hook monster" usually gets some disappointment.

tkkshop · « **Reply #32 on:** February 28, 2016, 10:24:19 AM »

Quote from: kidlost2000 on February 28, 2016, 09:10:29 AM

Guessing the new ball motion isn't what many were expecting at the high performance price point.

Anything high performance priced that isn't a "hook monster" usually gets some disappointment.

Motiv has jumped on their prices for similar performance to the previous release. Is that a problem? Storm was talked about for reusing covers and cores year after year and charging the same price. So they release new core and covers and charge more Dr similar performance. Bowlers have to pick their poison when they complain about retreads.

billdozer · « **Reply #33 on:** February 28, 2016, 12:46:26 PM »

They gotta make their $ on a new core design. They don't come cheap..

tkkshop · « **Reply #34 on:** February 28, 2016, 01:14:52 PM »

Quote from: billdozer on February 28, 2016, 12:46:26 PM

They gotta make their $ on a new core design. They don't come cheap..

my point exactly. People love the Centripetal core, but want new core and covers. That "new" comes with a price.

Track_Fanatic · « **Reply #35 on:** February 28, 2016, 01:18:25 PM »

I still don't understand how prices are still as low as they are. Just think, the Brunswick qauntums when they came out. Technology has only gotten better but the pricing hasn't matched. They should be a lot more IMHO.

billdozer · « **Reply #36 on:** February 28, 2016, 03:16:08 PM »

Quote from: tkkshop on February 28, 2016, 01:14:52 PM

Quote from: billdozer on February 28, 2016, 12:46:26 PM
They gotta make their $ on a new core design. They don't come cheap..
my point exactly. People love the Centripetal core, but want new core and covers. That "new" comes with a price.

Yup, broken record billy, figs when he was at track told me in person, it cost EBI 70k just to produce and market a new core...

They gotta sell over 500 of em to shops before the core costs are paid for...crazy..

tburky · « **Reply #37 on:** February 28, 2016, 03:18:57 PM »

Quote from: Track_Fanatic on February 28, 2016, 01:18:25 PM

I still don't understand how prices are still as low as they are. Just think, the Brunswick qauntums when they came out. Technology has only gotten better but the pricing hasn't matched. They should be a lot more IMHO.

Those forest green quantums that came out in 1994 were an excellent ball...I loved them lol. A pro shop couldn't just buy 1 quantum at a time they had to buy a case of 4 balls.

northface28 · « **Reply #38 on:** February 28, 2016, 03:59:42 PM »

Quote from: DP3 on February 27, 2016, 10:45:12 PM

You would figure tacky = friction. I talked to a staffer that suggested you drill this with a 1/2" stronger pin than you would normally and adding a low hole to get the ball to pop a little more off of the spot. Makes sense. He also said this ball is designed to be able to be used an entire block start to finish. Sounds legit if you can line up with this on the fresh.

I bowled a tournament today with a Storm staffer and someone had a Phaze on the rack and he called the Phaze the 170,270,170 ball. Yep, sounds like an Optimus to me.

tkkshop · « **Reply #39 on:** February 28, 2016, 04:02:39 PM »

Quote from: billdozer on February 28, 2016, 03:16:08 PM

Quote from: tkkshop on February 28, 2016, 01:14:52 PM
Quote from: billdozer on February 28, 2016, 12:46:26 PM
They gotta make their $ on a new core design. They don't come cheap..
my point exactly. People love the Centripetal core, but want new core and covers. That "new" comes with a price.

Yup, broken record billy, figs when he was at track told me in person, it cost EBI 70k just to produce and market a new core...

They gotta sell over 500 of em to shops before the core costs are paid for...crazy..

your math is off by a few. But I get your point. I have it around 800-1000 balls to the shop to cover core R&D if your 70k is right.

Northface, that sounds like a 170, 210, 170 bowler to me...

billdozer · « **Reply #40 on:** February 28, 2016, 04:14:38 PM »

Quote from: tkkshop on February 28, 2016, 04:02:39 PM

Quote from: billdozer on February 28, 2016, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: tkkshop on February 28, 2016, 01:14:52 PM
Quote from: billdozer on February 28, 2016, 12:46:26 PM
They gotta make their $ on a new core design. They don't come cheap..
my point exactly. People love the Centripetal core, but want new core and covers. That "new" comes with a price.

Yup, broken record billy, figs when he was at track told me in person, it cost EBI 70k just to produce and market a new core...

They gotta sell over 500 of em to shops before the core costs are paid for...crazy..
your math is off by a few. But I get your point. I have it around 800-1000 balls to the shop to cover core R&D if your 70k is right.

Northface, that sounds like a 170, 210, 170 bowler to me...

70 didn't cover all costs, just the core cost. I was assuming shops maybe get the phaze for $130 , 70/$130=538

He told me that right when track started the numbering system. It was also why they do the density changes instead of an all new core shape. He passed around the Lego brick core and showed us all how one was different from the next. (930T vs. 920A...if my memory is clear)

However I don't know proshop costs...so tkk you're probably dead on at 800-1000 just to cover R&D..

tkkshop · « **Reply #41 on:** February 28, 2016, 04:21:34 PM »

Quote from: billdozer on February 28, 2016, 04:14:38 PM

Quote from: tkkshop on February 28, 2016, 04:02:39 PM
Quote from: billdozer on February 28, 2016, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: tkkshop on February 28, 2016, 01:14:52 PM
Quote from: billdozer on February 28, 2016, 12:46:26 PM
They gotta make their $ on a new core design. They don't come cheap..
my point exactly. People love the Centripetal core, but want new core and covers. That "new" comes with a price.

Yup, broken record billy, figs when he was at track told me in person, it cost EBI 70k just to produce and market a new core...

They gotta sell over 500 of em to shops before the core costs are paid for...crazy..
your math is off by a few. But I get your point. I have it around 800-1000 balls to the shop to cover core R&D if your 70k is right.

Northface, that sounds like a 170, 210, 170 bowler to me...

70 didn't cover all costs, just the core cost. I was assuming shops maybe get the phaze for $130 , 70/$130=538

He told me that right when track started the numbering system. It was also why they do the density changes instead of an all new core shape. He passed around the Lego brick core and showed us all how one was different from the next. (930T vs. 920A...if my memory is clear)

However I don't know proshop costs...so tkk you're probably dead on at 800-1000 just to cover R&D..

your number for what shops get balls for would be from a distributor. So the company selling to the distributor would be for less than what the shops buy for. So you have to assume the distributor has a markup, which they do.

northface28 · « **Reply #42 on:** February 28, 2016, 04:31:49 PM »

Quote from: tkkshop on February 28, 2016, 04:02:39 PM

Quote from: billdozer on February 28, 2016, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: tkkshop on February 28, 2016, 01:14:52 PM
Quote from: billdozer on February 28, 2016, 12:46:26 PM
They gotta make their $ on a new core design. They don't come cheap..
my point exactly. People love the Centripetal core, but want new core and covers. That "new" comes with a price.

Yup, broken record billy, figs when he was at track told me in person, it cost EBI 70k just to produce and market a new core...

They gotta sell over 500 of em to shops before the core costs are paid for...crazy..
your math is off by a few. But I get your point. I have it around 800-1000 balls to the shop to cover core R&D if your 70k is right.

Northface, that sounds like a 170, 210, 170 bowler to me...

Ordinarily, id agree, but he's pretty good. Wins a lot of stuff in the Midwest, some regional titles as well, he's not a clown.

tburky · « **Reply #43 on:** February 28, 2016, 05:02:34 PM »

Quote from: northface28 on February 28, 2016, 03:59:42 PM

Quote from: DP3 on February 27, 2016, 10:45:12 PM
You would figure tacky = friction. I talked to a staffer that suggested you drill this with a 1/2" stronger pin than you would normally and adding a low hole to get the ball to pop a little more off of the spot. Makes sense. He also said this ball is designed to be able to be used an entire block start to finish. Sounds legit if you can line up with this on the fresh.

I bowled a tournament today with a Storm staffer and someone had a Phaze on the rack and he called the Phaze the 170,270,170 ball. Yep, sounds like an Optimus to me.

Optimus was a dog turd for me.

dman2323 · « **Reply #44 on:** March 01, 2016, 01:23:13 AM »

Avg. 224,

Just wanted to say, I bought the ball the day it came out, on buddiesproshop.com and had it drilled and delivered. I mirrored my drilling off Joshua Tajiri's drilling from a youtube video as we have similar styles and similar PAP's. I use a lot of hand but am trying to use weaker drillings to play a little straighter than I used to play.

First week the ball was rolling nice, shot a decent 683 with it and it moved just like i would like in my league.

Last Friday however i noticed some of the issues others stated they have with the ball, in that it sometimes just doesn't move. I was the only person on the pair of lanes struggling to get my ball to turn, mid-way through the FIRST game. I adjusted moving right and slowed the speed down a tad, but the ball still wouldn't turn. I ended up basically using this ball as pretty much a straight ball as i had to literally throw it direct at the pocket. It seems it doesn't like carry down or is finicky with oil. I did notice if I got it out towards the gutter it would hook back hard but then it would overlook and go brooklyn.

Still shot a 663 but was really disappointed in the ball. I figured the first week i just needed to learn the ball a bit, I felt in practice on the second week I had found my area perfectly and started the first game with 4 strikes and 9-spare, but then literally the ball stopped turning right after that.

Hoping last week was an anomaly but after reading some comments throughout the threads i think i shouldn't have bought this ball.

itsallaboutme · « **Reply #45 on:** March 01, 2016, 06:32:05 AM »

So for 2 weeks you bowled to your average. Maybe your expectations are too high.

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