I had a 5" pin up layout on mine, it didn't really give me much use since it was too weak for the amount of oil I normally see. I redrilled it to be stronger, moved the pin about 3/4" closer to the PAP, still over fingers. Now it gives me a good look when the heads start to go away, but it gets over/under on a wet/dry shot, and it doesn't like carrydown.