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The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« on: January 03, 2015, 12:15:15 PM »
I just saw this ball on Buddies web site, but it may have been discussed here before. (WWRD, world wide release date, is Feb. 24th; I may have jumped the gun a little bit on this. Sorry, but it sure looks interesting.)

http://www.buddiesproshop.com/p-5435-storm-rocket-bowling-ball-wwrd-22415.aspx

Is this another attempt by Storm to replace the everlasting Hy-Road?
The coverstock is also an R2S hybrid. While the core shape is different, the core specifications are close: RG: 2.54 vs. 2.57; Diff: .046" vs. .046.

If not, how does it/will it differ in ball reaction from the Hy-Road?

« Last Edit: January 03, 2015, 12:43:53 PM by charlest »
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Re: The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2015, 08:07:35 PM »
You spin it so you sound correct...the original and only reason was the dynamic integrity...the influence of RGs is miminal...you are talking 100/1000's of an inch
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Re: The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2015, 06:29:23 PM »
Here is what Victor Marion (Storm Tech Director and one of their ball designers) posted on the Storm staff FB page:

First time posting here, but I wanted to add some Clarity on the new Rocketâ„¢ from a design-side of things:

As everyone is aware, the Hy-Road has been in the product line for a long time and does an excellent job at clearing the front part of the lane, but still flipping downlane. However, there are times when it clears the front (and mids) too well, and doesn’t necessarily read the spot where we would like it to. When this occurs, you have a few different options, like bumping up a tier to the IQ Tour series, but in this case, the RG goes way down (2.57 -> 2.49) and so too does the diff (0.046 -> 0.029), so if the Hy-Road was close, but not exactly, the earlier midlane read and smoother motion of the IQ Tour series is most likely going to shape up completely different than a Hy-Road. Likewise, if you go farther up the line with the Optimus or Crux, the odds are these balls are way too strong and will come off the spot with a tad too much vigor.

So, our only other option (pre Rocket) is to go down a product line and look at the Lights Out or Wipe Out. Although these are higher RG (2.57 -> 2.55), there is still a loss of Diff (0.046 -> 0.038). So in this case, these might be a good alternative, but now you’ve traded a slightly earlier midlane read for less Diff, so there is a good chance that these Hot Line balls might also miss the spot.

Hence, the Booster Core design and R2S Hybrid really help bridge the gap when the Hy-Road is close, but is pushing just a little too far. The RG value is very close (2.57 -> 2.54) but the Diff is identical (0.046 = 0.046). So, the theory here is that this ball will push through the front parts cleaner than the Master and Premier line, but still provide the strong ball motion everyone expects out of the Thunder line.

I hope this clarifies a little about the design side of the new Rocket…
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Re: The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2015, 06:58:30 PM »
Here is what Victor Marion (Storm Tech Director and one of their ball designers) posted on the Storm staff FB page:

First time posting here, but I wanted to add some Clarity on the new Rocketâ„¢ from a design-side of things:

As everyone is aware, the Hy-Road has been in the product line for a long time and does an excellent job at clearing the front part of the lane, but still flipping downlane. However, there are times when it clears the front (and mids) too well, and doesn’t necessarily read the spot where we would like it to. When this occurs, you have a few different options, like bumping up a tier to the IQ Tour series, but in this case, the RG goes way down (2.57 -> 2.49) and so too does the diff (0.046 -> 0.029), so if the Hy-Road was close, but not exactly, the earlier midlane read and smoother motion of the IQ Tour series is most likely going to shape up completely different than a Hy-Road. Likewise, if you go farther up the line with the Optimus or Crux, the odds are these balls are way too strong and will come off the spot with a tad too much vigor.

So, our only other option (pre Rocket) is to go down a product line and look at the Lights Out or Wipe Out. Although these are higher RG (2.57 -> 2.55), there is still a loss of Diff (0.046 -> 0.038). So in this case, these might be a good alternative, but now you’ve traded a slightly earlier midlane read for less Diff, so there is a good chance that these Hot Line balls might also miss the spot.

Hence, the Booster Core design and R2S Hybrid really help bridge the gap when the Hy-Road is close, but is pushing just a little too far. The RG value is very close (2.57 -> 2.54) but the Diff is identical (0.046 = 0.046). So, the theory here is that this ball will push through the front parts cleaner than the Master and Premier line, but still provide the strong ball motion everyone expects out of the Thunder line.

I hope this clarifies a little about the design side of the new Rocket…

My theory is that it's all marketing. :)
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Re: The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2015, 07:33:00 PM »
Well that solves it ALL! Now I don't have to move my feet
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Re: The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2015, 07:38:55 PM »
Well that solves it ALL! Now I don't have to move my feet

But I like the big dot. :)
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Re: The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2015, 07:49:27 PM »
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Re: The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2015, 02:19:35 AM »
Suspecting the Rocket intent will be along the performance range of a Reign Supreme or Crossroad, which imo were above (or below) a Hyroad (depending on an individuals matchup). Not as lengthy + transition not as fast as the Hyroad.

I shall order in the coming week+ and provide as soon as allowable if there is any interest.

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Re: The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2015, 07:29:38 AM »
The intent was actually to be cleaner through the fronts with a more defined move on the backend.  I'll also have one on the way as soon as I can get one. 

Suspecting the Rocket intent will be along the performance range of a Reign Supreme or Crossroad, which imo were above (or below) a Hyroad (depending on an individuals matchup). Not as lengthy + transition not as fast as the Hyroad.

I shall order in the coming week+ and provide as soon as allowable if there is any interest.

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Re: The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2015, 09:20:56 AM »
So when you need something very close to the HyRoad to read the pattern slightly different you should go to the Rocket instead of the HyRoad Solid or Pearl??   :-\

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Re: The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2015, 09:33:04 AM »
Well that depends on what you mean by different.  The earlier post on this thread about what Victor Marion said pretty well explains it. 

So when you need something very close to the HyRoad to read the pattern slightly different you should go to the Rocket instead of the HyRoad Solid or Pearl??   :-\
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Re: The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2015, 09:39:58 AM »
I'm confused on how the HyRoad Solid doesn't offer what is described in that post.

"However, there are times when it clears the front (and mids) too well, and doesn’t necessarily read the spot where we would like it to."

"Hence, the Booster Core design and R2S Hybrid really help bridge the gap when the Hy-Road is close, but is pushing just a little too far."

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Re: The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2015, 09:56:24 AM »
Well that solves it ALL! Now I don't have to move my feet

I get a nose bleed when I move away from the big dot. Kinda scary.

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Re: The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2015, 01:50:41 PM »
Surprised no one has mentioned it as the replacement to the Frantic with very similar specs and the same R2S hybrid cover and 1500/polished oob finish:

Frantic 2.53 RG, .044 diff
Rocket 2.54 RG, .046 diff

The cores look a little different with the Frantic being a little heavier near the top of the pin and the Rocket being more center heavy in relation to the top of the pin.  Regardless, I would think they would provide a similar look and reaction.

With the Frantic being one of my favorites, a Rocket looks like a great option for me.

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Re: The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2015, 02:17:45 PM »
The Solid still needs friction to move, it can also be longer even though the cover is more aggressive, plus it doesn't have the punch on the back that the Rocket will. 

I'm confused on how the HyRoad Solid doesn't offer what is described in that post.

"However, there are times when it clears the front (and mids) too well, and doesn’t necessarily read the spot where we would like it to."

"Hence, the Booster Core design and R2S Hybrid really help bridge the gap when the Hy-Road is close, but is pushing just a little too far."
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Re: The Rocket: what is it intended to be?
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2015, 08:18:53 PM »
Surprised no one has mentioned it as the replacement to the Frantic with very similar specs and the same R2S hybrid cover and 1500/polished oob finish:

Frantic 2.53 RG, .044 diff
Rocket 2.54 RG, .046 diff

The cores look a little different with the Frantic being a little heavier near the top of the pin and the Rocket being more center heavy in relation to the top of the pin.  Regardless, I would think they would provide a similar look and reaction.

With the Frantic being one of my favorites, a Rocket looks like a great option for me.

THIS.

Absolutely loved the Frantic + had tons of success with the original (red) IQ's centripetal core. I'm drooling over this ball already.