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BowlerKidR

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Trifecta
« on: July 19, 2005, 10:31:06 AM »
Its up on the storm website
http://stormbowling.com/ball/ball.asp?ballid=195

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Re: Trifecta
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2005, 04:57:46 PM »
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Same core as XXXtreme. But Stronger Particle cover, should be sooner and handle oil better than the XXXtreme.
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Its just a modified Vertigo Core
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Re: Trifecta
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2005, 05:14:20 PM »
A direct quote from Storm Staffer Ryan Shafer..."In the 5 years i've been with Storm, this is the most impressed I've been with a bowling ball."  "It has the midlane of a Vertigo, with the backend of a Fired Up.  It made the long oil Junior Gold pattern look stupid."  These are direct words from him, this morning.  I will see a couple in action within the next week.
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Supermo

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Re: Trifecta
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2005, 02:45:57 AM »
Well its in my bag 8-30 Sunday morning off to a senior tourny now,I'll play at least 10 games. Not sure how many i'll play with the Trifecta but normally plenty of oil at this house, but its going to get an airing.Will find out the condition set down and give you a Stoker/tweeners review of how it went.Be back in 14 hrs, long day ...lol.
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Re: Trifecta
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2005, 11:02:40 AM »
Don't understand why is Storm producing so many Master line ball that is for heavy oil and Brunswick (Inferno) is doing the same for medium oil ???
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BowlerKidR

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Re: Trifecta
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2005, 12:19:17 PM »
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Don't understand why is Storm producing so many Master line ball that is for heavy oil and Brunswick (Inferno) is doing the same for medium oil ???


Well what do you want? I mean think about it, when a company comes out with a new product, for instance, a new core, they want to show case the core in a great ball. Most companies believe that a great ball is a heavy hooker. Which would explain why this happens. It goes on everywhere. Ebonite did it in their XXcel and XXXcel, Storm in their Vertigo and Trifecta, Columbia did it with the Bully and Big Bully, Track with their Rule GP2, MoRich did it in their Weapon of MAss Bias, and Total Shock and Awe, Roto Grip is doing it with their Epic. Its really not that hard to see.

And then once a core is proven to be successful, they put that core into many other products, including non heavy oil hookers. For instance, the entire Titanium nugget cores that Columbia, Track and AMF used. The Bully core from Columbia is now being introduced is a mid-priced ball. Hammers core that was used in the entire Diesel series was great, and is being introduced in their new Heavy Hooking monster the Hawg. But this is also occuring in new Covers. The Cut Throat Coverstock from Hammer was introduced on the Real Deal. It was proven to be great, and then released in their mid-priced line in the Saw and Razor Blades, and then released in a high preformance ball the Big Deal.

Really, its just like everything else in life is about, MONEY. Everything is about making money. A company takes either a coverstock, a core, or the name from a very popular released series, and uses it to introduce a new product, and for most companies a popular line is their High Preformance line, which equates into a heavy hooker. yes it is a bit different for the inferno line, but it is what sells. Lets look at it, they really dont make balls for the Medium condition only. Theu have the Intense Inferno and Blazing Inferno for light, they have the ultimate Inferno for heavy, and then the Raging Inferno for med-heavy, and then they have the Origional Inferno and the new Smoking Inferno for med oil. So i really dont know what you are talking about.
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Supermo

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Re: Trifecta
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2005, 02:24:45 AM »
Well i've had 13 games with the Trifecta now, i'm a stroker/tweener with not a lot of hand and posted my drilling on this a few messages back.Played 10 in a tourny on Sunday plenty of oil very long was a struggle to get any turn. first 2 games 205/216 then i must admit played on the worst 2 pair of lanes in the house 3/4 & 1/2. Normally we would move 4 lanes right after each pair of games well i went from 13/14 to 3/4 then 1/2 bad organisation.Shot a 360 on 3/4 then 390 on 1/2 played down the boards only way i could get any movement but no noticable finish. Made the cut in 17th got another 4 games. I decided to slow my shot down even more had a lot more success 790 over those games.Played 3 games last night on a similar condition in league. One game with my Trifecta still no great finish played the last two with my AI same drilling and got a much better turn when it came off the oil with that. So i'm a little dissapionted just now maybe a different drilling may be better for me dont really want to sand it down.Anyone got any ideas..thanks
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Re: Trifecta
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2005, 05:58:59 PM »
With me not getting the reaction i thought i would get with the drilling i have,(see a few messages ago)what would you suggest would be a stronger drilling for me. A diagram would be helpful thanks guys
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Re: Trifecta
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2005, 02:17:13 AM »
I just drilled one up and used it at a regional and on a few house shots. Its a big pin drlled about 4-1/2 X 3 with the cg located almost in line with my mid line of my grip and my pap. I thought this would give me a little length but with roll (because of the advertised agressiveness of the cover) and a contious back end, close to a stacked layout but rotated the RAD towards my PAP...

I am definately going to plug and redrill this one. The ball IS a lot of ball but not as much as you would think it is. I have to say that I am a little dissapointed at this point. I don't know why they left off the little nub at the top. After the sucess of the Vertigo I thought this would be an overall improvement from that on heavy oil on tough conditions but it seems to me to be a little step backwords...

I don't know, maybe once I move that pin under my ring or go 3-3/8 X 3-3/8 I'll see the dynamics of this ball come to life....

Just my $0.02,
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Supermo

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Re: Trifecta
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2005, 03:13:49 AM »
GTGHM
I Have that drilling pin under ring and not getting any real reaction on it.
Just had it sanded to 500 going to try that tonite and see if there is any difference. I'm just as dissapointed as you, we pay a lot more here than you do for a ball$250, could have picked a ball up for $30 that does as much. My first new storm ball...probably my last
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Re: Trifecta
« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2005, 04:25:09 AM »
Please do not give up on this ball.  Ryan Shafer told me that this ball is he best he's thrown in 5 years.  He and Storm Rep Chris Schlemer both recommended using pin to PAP distances of at least 4 1/2" on this ball because it is so aggressive.  The ball is 6 feet earlier thatn a Vertigo, with the backend reaction of a Fired up.  Try using pin above the finger layouts, and try to keep the RAD mor towards your midplane than your VAL.  If you need, take the ball up to around 1500 wetsand.  Your must realize that this ball needs a ton of oil OOB, so don't be discouraged if it's not hooking on your THS, because that's not what the ball is meant for.  Don't be afraid to tweak the surface on the ball.
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Supermo

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Re: Trifecta
« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2005, 05:36:39 AM »
Traumatize.
Ok i'll see how it goes tonite if no difference my driller will be there as he bowls in the same league i'll go for your drilling.Willing to try anything right now.
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gtghm

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Re: Trifecta
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2005, 02:42:54 AM »
That's pretty interesting, my layout is pin above the finger. I have thrown enough balls, especialy storm stuff, and I know when a layout doesn't work for me off my hand. It's on the plug bench right now and I'll try a different drilling... I'm sure its a decient ball but so fat its not the absolute beast that its being marketed as, at least not this particular ball... I know this ball was from a first run or atleast one of the firsts. Was one that was sent to a shop and it ended up in my hand and I know that these samples are not sometimes the best of the lot. It is a 4+" pin and while I chose it because I thought I could do more with it, in this case the long pin put the top of the block in a place that for my game is alomst an impossibility for me to get the ball to start up early enough yet retain energy at the break point. After I drilled the ball I went and tossed it in a house that was playing long to test the ball in the oil and both the shop guy and myself agreed that we just didn't see what we expected to see from this particular ball. We have an idea and if it works great, it might change my mind to a degree but for the time being at the very least the cover/core combo on this ball makes for sensitive layouts for players.

More later after I do the redrill,
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Supermo

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Re: Trifecta
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2005, 01:38:26 PM »
Tried it again with a 500 grit i dont think i have the speed to get it down the lane. Looked like soggy marshmallow goin down and hit like tennis raquet with no strings..lol. Going to have it with the earlier drilling that Traumitize suggests the 4/1/2" pin to pap and polish it up to 1500 wetsand and see how it goes. I'm only desperate now not panicking yet.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Trifecta
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2005, 10:46:03 PM »
Saw Trifecta versus Vertigo today.  Real good bowler bowling his best.

The Trifecta was earlier with less backend...Vertigo was slightly later slightly more backend.

Particles to me always seem to have this exact characteristic!

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Re: Trifecta
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2005, 12:51:06 AM »
After redrilling and doing some testing I would say that I am not impressed with this ball as much as I was with the Vertigo.

Drilled it pin under with the CG and RAD kicked out right and an X hole on the PAP.

I have to try it polished but first thing, I don't think that most centers will put enough oil out for the THS to get this ball down the lane, second the ball just doesn't seem like even in the oil that it will retain enough energy to cary. All in all I think that I made a mistake gettting this ball. it doesn't seem to be a ball that works for my game...

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