Post by: milkshake227 on December 19, 2007, 05:02:00 AM
well it came today and this is what it looks like
ive never seen a ball like that before, is it okay? do i need to send it back?
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2866/attitudeshiftro9.jpg
Post by: KDawg77 on December 19, 2007, 01:03:02 PM
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Post by: NicholasE on December 19, 2007, 01:05:16 PM
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Post by: milkshake227 on December 19, 2007, 01:05:28 PM
is it still good?
i need this ball for sport shots / pba league / tournaments
so i want to drill it as aggresive as i possibly can
Post by: KDawg77 on December 19, 2007, 01:07:27 PM
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Post by: Monster Pike on December 19, 2007, 01:19:19 PM
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You're going to need to consult your coach and/or driller to see what types of reactions you can get with that ball.
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What Ken said & also you might try talking to a rep at Storm. Did it come with a drill layout sheet with specific layouts? The Storm box it came in should have it & also what the pin distance is. Also, I don't think it's a Pro CG. I have a Storm Perfecta (overseas release of the Trifecta) & the CG is kicked left of the pin & MB.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on December 19, 2007, 01:25:41 PM
quote:Before you punch up the ball, remember that "more aggressive" is not necessarily good for sport/pba/tournament shots. Often on those flatter, more difficult oil patterns, you need control and predictability moreso than an "aggressive" reaction. The solid R2S coverstock is pretty strong, and the RG is fairly moderate, so you may not need to have that "aggressive" of a drill to get a good reaction on a flatter oil pattern really.
i need this ball for sport shots / pba league / tournaments
so i want to drill it as aggresive as i possibly can
Post by: Nails on December 19, 2007, 01:26:21 PM
You don't necessarily need to "drill it as aggressively as possible". Flatter patterns don't necessarily mean a ton of oil. What's the top weight of the ball? If it's in the normal range, you can place the pin anywhere near your ring or middle finger, keep the MB in the strong position, and you should have no problem finding a weight hole size/location to keep it legal.
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Post by: milkshake227 on December 19, 2007, 01:26:32 PM
Post by: milkshake227 on December 19, 2007, 01:28:32 PM
i already have a max drilled like this.
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/646/bowlinglayoutwtfly7.jpg
Post by: Nicanor on December 19, 2007, 01:52:16 PM
I also agree to talk to your coach, pro shop operator and a Storm rep to get as much information possible before drilling the ball.
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Post by: Brandon2369 on December 19, 2007, 02:04:58 PM
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its like having mom buy your jock strap for gym class
does she know what size you need?
Hilarious! Good pt!
Post by: Jim12387 on December 19, 2007, 02:07:25 PM
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Post by: milkshake227 on December 19, 2007, 02:08:09 PM
Post by: demo40 on December 19, 2007, 02:10:27 PM
I have a Delta 1 like that with the pin
in the middle of my span. It works
really well on heavy oil.
Post by: shelley on December 19, 2007, 02:13:49 PM
You might not be able to lay it out with the pin over the fingers as you'll have a lot of finger weight (even then it may not be that much trouble), but if you're looking for something for tougher shots and sport shots that's drilled aggressively, I doubt a high-pin with a longer pin-to-PAP distance is what you're going for anyway.
It would not be my first choice but I don't see a big problem unless the top weight is mis-marked and turns out to be higher.
SH
Post by: Jim12387 on December 19, 2007, 02:19:57 PM
To get back on topic, the ball should work fine with that short of a cg. In an assymetric ball the MB is more important anyways. You should enjoy the ball, it is a very nice piece of equipment.
To get off topic, one christmas about 8 years ago when I was 12 my present was my parents telling me they were getting a divorce on christmas day. The christmas before that someone stole my dog on christmas day. Yeah, bad times for me i guess. Consider your gift a great one!
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Post by: milkshake227 on December 19, 2007, 02:21:22 PM
Post by: Monster Pike on December 19, 2007, 03:12:05 PM
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Post by: Borincano on December 19, 2007, 03:26:21 PM
Post by: shelley on December 19, 2007, 03:47:10 PM
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In this type of bowling ball. Do we need to concentrate on the pin and the mass bias for a good layout.
On a strong asymmetric like the Attitude Shift, you'd use the pin and MB to lay the ball out. "Concentrating" on them is a good way to put it, but the CG cannot be ignored. The ball still has to be legal when you're done and the CG can make that hard or easy or impossible. You may be able to ignore the CG for reaction purposes but you can't dismiss it entirely.
SH
Post by: bigb4life on December 19, 2007, 03:59:22 PM
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Post by: Borincano on December 19, 2007, 08:38:53 PM
quote:quote:
In this type of bowling ball. Do we need to concentrate on the pin and the mass bias for a good layout.
On a strong asymmetric like the Attitude Shift, you'd use the pin and MB to lay the ball out. "Concentrating" on them is a good way to put it, but the CG cannot be ignored. The ball still has to be legal when you're done and the CG can make that hard or easy or impossible. You may be able to ignore the CG for reaction purposes but you can't dismiss it entirely.
SH
Post by: milkshake227 on December 19, 2007, 09:30:57 PM
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8665/attitudelayouttg0.jpg
thoughts?
Post by: shelley on December 20, 2007, 06:07:17 AM
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Thanks Shelley for the input and to look also at the side weight. If it was me a will put the pin 4 inches from the PAP and the MB at 3 1/2 and the a balance hole at the below the midline towards the thumb cuadrant. What are your thoughts?
You don't really mention how high the pin is, but I'm guessing that it will be above the midline. Then the CG will probably also be above the midline and putting a hole in the thumb quadrant will add finger weight. With the CG already on the finger side of the ball, maybe, maybe that's a problem. You'd have to weigh it out to see before adding the balance hole. I would guess (I'm not a driller) that you'd need to put the balance hole above the midline.
If that picture you posted is the 4 x 3 1/2 you're talking about here, I don't see why you can't do it. It looks like it starts with a shorter pin anyway. You'll just have to be certain of where you put the weight hole.
SH
Post by: shelley on December 20, 2007, 06:08:25 AM
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Also a lot of mass bias bowling balls will never come with a pro-cg because the cg doesn't matter according to them. The only thing it matters to is static weights. That is the problem with the USBC is that if the cg doesn't matter on mass bias bowling balls then why have static weights.
Actually, only mass bias balls can come pro-CG, as being pro-CG means that the CG is significantly off the pin-MB line. No MB on a symmetric ball means the CG can't be off the pin-MB line.
SH
Post by: tommygn on December 20, 2007, 07:03:15 AM
The only way I would recommend sending the ball back, is if you throw the ball very hard without many revolutions. The reason I say this, is because you will need to have alot of surface on the ball to keep the ball from going through the break point. With the shorter pin, you will not get as much backend with this ball with alot of surface, as you would with a 2-3 pin ball. Even though it is a mass bias ball, The pin in means that the core is positioned towards the middle of the ball, giving you easier revs in the front part of the lane. When a ball has the pin farther out, the weight block is "offset" more and away from the center of the ball, giving you more motion later down the lane.
That is one more reason to check with your local certified coach or pro shop operator to make sure this ball is a fit for your game.
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Post by: Jeff Carter on December 20, 2007, 07:10:45 AM
Somebody earlier mentioned the key to accomplishing the reaction that you're looking for. You dont have to drill agressive bowling balls "agressively" !!! Too many people get caught up in layouts and they "over-trick" the balls characteristics.
If you're looking for something for the medium-long PBA patterns....do something like 4 1/2"-5" pin below the fingers with a small CG kick. That should put the Key around 1"-1 1/2" to the right of the thumb. Try that and if you want the ball to pick up a little sooner you can always put a hole 2" below your axis and adjust the surface. That way you're getting a controlled and predictable ball reaction
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Post by: azproputt on December 20, 2007, 08:59:17 AM
Post by: milkshake227 on December 22, 2007, 11:55:19 PM
got it drilled today, here is how it looks.
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/860/drilledqh3.jpg
only threw about 6-8 balls with it, and so far am not TO impressed, im sure i just have to get used to it, and it might of been the conditions, bowled on a lane where a league had just ended, so i imagine there was alot of carrydown, but it wasnt that heavy of a shot and it wasn't doing much, hopefully i can take it out again soon. although when i did hit the pocket there was no doubt about it, this thing hits HARD
Post by: milkshake227 on December 23, 2007, 12:06:59 AM
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9836/drilled1ce0.jpg
Post by: dizzyfugu on December 23, 2007, 01:14:06 AM
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You can use it but you really can't do much with it. If you looking for a pin under the fingers the ball is ok but if you are needing it up above then its not what you need.
Pin under the fingers is not a bad option - I have (or had, it is retired) a Trauma with a similar pin distance, and it was set up pin 4" from ym PAP and the CG/PSA locator slightly swung out, with a small balance hole:
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3473691
I was sceptical at first, but the ball has become one of my favorites, because it is very smooth at the breakpoint. I have seen Traumas drilled for length, and they were snappy beasts, while mine shows a very continuous move - very easy to control. With the Attitude Shift, being an oil ball, such a setup makes even sense, so I'd go for it. You just will not be bale to make the ball very sharp in the back end, but that's not what it was originally designed for in the first place.
Nothing big to worry about
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Post by: Slopsurprise on December 24, 2007, 09:49:03 AM
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meaning?
is it still good?
i need this ball for sport shots / pba league / tournaments
so i want to drill it as aggresive as i possibly can
Good layout for the shots you said you will be bowling on. You want control and not to cover alot of boards if possible. Straighter is greater.
Edited on 12/24/2007 10:54 AM