Author Topic: What is this MONSOON Pearl coverstock? (Read 4092 times)

Ric Clint · « **on:** December 24, 2004, 05:54:54 PM »

It's on the Hot Rod ProStock Pearl, the Banshee, the Recharge, etc...

What does it do that is different from say Curelyon Pearl Reactive?

im4x4nut · « **Reply #1 on:** December 25, 2004, 07:07:28 AM »

The Curelyon Pearl Reactive was made about 3-5 years back, Storm then went to the Accutread Reactive. Storms latest reactive realease is the Monsoon.

If you want to compare pearls, the Curelyon would be the weakest, the Accutread the strongest and the Monsoon would fall somewhere in between.

I have all three coverstocks in my bag. I have a polished Hot Shot which only moves as much as I put into the ball ( hand / fingers ). I use my X-Factor when I need a stronger move on the back end. I also have the XXX-Factor, but rarely use it.

Speaking of the XXX-Factor, I was disappointed with that balls performance. Was lead to believe it would be stronger than the Original but it is way milder. But to each his own. I plan on dumping it on Ebay in the near future along with a few other balls I no longer use or need.

I was planning on getting a Banshee because I loved my Original Eraser which was a Accutread pearl. But when I saw it was a monsoon I changed my mind. Hope I was helpful.

Ric Clint · « **Reply #2 on:** December 25, 2004, 11:19:06 PM »

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One tip off is the hardness: Monsoon is way softer than Accutread and that IMO that alone plays a major factor in the amount of backend.

Can you clarify the above?

By "soft", do you mean that the backend will be bigger... or that the hook will be earlier?

If the latter, then it appears that the Monsson wouldn't be good for lighter oil conditions since the ball would be rolling too early, instead of getting long length? Correct?

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 25, 2004, 11:38:10 PM »

I have balls with both Monsoon and Accutread and the Monsoon has more length and a sharper back-end than Accutread for me. The Accutread starts making it's move sooner and is still as strong or stronger, although not as snappy of break, on the back end as the Monsoon. The Accutread will handle carrydown better than Monsoon.....Note, this is how it works for me, but it may be different for others.
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stanski · « **Reply #4 on:** December 26, 2004, 01:10:05 AM »

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One tip off is the hardness: Monsoon is way softer than Accutread and that IMO that alone plays a major factor in the amount of backend.

Can you clarify the above?

By "soft", do you mean that the backend will be bigger... or that the hook will be earlier?

If the latter, then it appears that the Monsson wouldn't be good for lighter oil conditions since the ball would be rolling too early, instead of getting long length? Correct?

Correct, from my experience with monsoon pearls (banshee and flash point) this is what I have seen. Both were lower rg's, but i drilled them for length and still got an extremely smooth reaction, successful on medium patterns for the part. It still gets great length because of the pearl, but doesn't snap off the dry like a pearl for me.

In case that didn't make sense, I agreed with your statement about light patterns. I can use them on light tough patterns, but when the shot is wide open, I would definately go with something with more backend snap.
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Edited on 12/26/2004 2:10 AM

Ric Clint · « **Reply #5 on:** December 26, 2004, 04:10:30 AM »

And also... does a softer coverstock mean that the ball will soak in more oil? If so, wouldn't these type of soft coverstock balls die at a faster pace of "ball death" than the harder, or more regular, coverstocks?

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #6 on:** December 26, 2004, 06:49:59 AM »

I disagree with a lot of what I read here.

Softer means softer! ie lower on the hardness scale.

In the last year the ABC and the pro tour now both allow balls down to hardness of 72. MOnsoon is softer in the 73 to 75 hardness area.

Older more typical pearls are in the 76 to 78 hardness area! This means they skid farther, retain more energy and then because there is more energy when they find dry they really react, and hard! Ie Curelyon.

I have a El Nino Wrath. Boy that ball reacts hard when it finds dry!

The softer Monsoons which started on the Fear Factor(some particle I think).

REact earlier in the oil and thus have less left at back to react to the dry.
Assuming two balls made with same cores! The idea with these balls is to bridge the gap between pearls and reactives and to reduce over under.

Probably the difference many think they are seeing in comparing Curelyon vs Moonsoon is the tremendous increase in strength in the cores of today. X factors with diffs of .58 vs El Nino with diffs in the .45 range.

Anyway Monsoon(biggest difference is it is a softer cover) is a great cover for today's overreactive less blended conditions however when the old harder coverstocks are right they are really right. They skid farther and react harder when they sense dry.

Often great for the very thin oil volumes I now often see in my home area!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS interesting twist, Columbia is making many hard coverstocks still!
They get their pearl coverstocks to react smoother by sanding to 500 and polishing with 2000 degree polish. ie Throttle R.(very similar to original X factor in my opinion).

Astroman · « **Reply #7 on:** December 26, 2004, 11:07:24 AM »

Just wanted to correct LuckyLefty, the original El Ninos with the lightbulb MC2 had .060 diffs and higher i.e. Wrath, original, Gold.

Just had to put in my $.02.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #8 on:** December 26, 2004, 03:15:24 PM »

You are right on the details, I was rushing this morning!

However the big picture is still true. New coverstocks do not hook more on back, they just hook more and earlier. They are softer!

Old coverstocks like Curelyon pearl hook a ton.

The guys who had me flinging the Wrath at them on a 4 day old pattern this morning know what I'm talkin about!

Good stuff is that Curelyon! As is the new softer Monsoon stuff, but each for different type patterns.

REgards,

Luckylefty

tburky · « **Reply #9 on:** December 26, 2004, 03:25:13 PM »

In my hands the monsoon pearl reactive is cleaner through the front and midlane and strong on the back. The curelyon cover is clean through the front...though not as clean as the monsoon pearl reactive, and picks up quicker in the midlane than the monsoon pearl reactive. The XXX factor is ok but not as good as the X factor.

Edited on 12/26/2004 4:26 PM

dirtbikebowler · « **Reply #10 on:** December 26, 2004, 05:26:37 PM »

MONSOON is a softer cover stock.

Suppose to be Storms strongest reactive cover stock just bc its soft. I think i read on Storm's sight them saying it makes a bigger print on the lane.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 26, 2004, 08:59:05 PM »

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Suppose to be Storms strongest reactive cover stock just bc its soft. I think i read on Storm's sight them saying it makes a bigger print on the lane.

I'm not saying that isn't true, but for me and my style, the Accutread is stronger and seems to carry better than the Monsoon. I don't know if the Accutread is soft or hard, I just know it works best for someone without much hand and low revs and needing mid-lane rev help like myself.

Ric Clint · « **Reply #12 on:** December 27, 2004, 12:49:51 AM »

quote:
I disagree with a lot of what I read here.

Softer means softer! ie lower on the hardness scale.

In the last year the ABC and the pro tour now both allow balls down to hardness of 72. MOnsoon is softer in the 73 to 75 hardness area.

Older more typical pearls are in the 76 to 78 hardness area! This means they skid farther, retain more energy and then because there is more energy when they find dry they really react, and hard! Ie Curelyon.

I have a El Nino Wrath. Boy that ball reacts hard when it finds dry!

The softer Monsoons which started on the Fear Factor(some particle I think).

REact earlier in the oil and thus have less left at back to react to the dry.
Assuming two balls made with same cores! The idea with these balls is to bridge the gap between pearls and reactives and to reduce over under.

Probably the difference many think they are seeing in comparing Curelyon vs Moonsoon is the tremendous increase in strength in the cores of today. X factors with diffs of .58 vs El Nino with diffs in the .45 range.

Anyway Monsoon(biggest difference is it is a softer cover) is a great cover for today's overreactive less blended conditions however when the old harder coverstocks are right they are really right. They skid farther and react harder when they sense dry.

Often great for the very thin oil volumes I now often see in my home area!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS interesting twist, Columbia is making many hard coverstocks still!
They get their pearl coverstocks to react smoother by sanding to 500 and polishing with 2000 degree polish. ie Throttle R.(very similar to original X factor in my opinion).

This is kind of what I thought too LuckyLefty... that since these Monsoon Pearl covers were softer, that they would start up earlier and be more even in the backend, then Curelyon.

And even though that is the case with the Monsoon cover, in that it reacts sooner/earlier than the average pearl... some still say that the Recharge is a "go long, and turn hard" kind of ball... but it looks like that with this Monsoon cover that it would react earlier than what some say it does???

charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** December 27, 2004, 04:05:19 AM »

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And even though that is the case with the Monsoon cover, in that it reacts sooner/earlier than the average pearl... some still say that the Recharge is a "go long, and turn hard" kind of ball... but it looks like that with this Monsoon cover that it would react earlier than what some say it does???

REMEMBER everything is relative. Who knows what they were comparing it to; people often compare balls drilled and surfaced differently.

It's almost balls with the same core and different coverstocks., but that's what you have to do. If you could get a new X-Factor and compare it to a new Triple XXX Factor, then you'd have something. The Monsoon is "more elastic", NOT actually softer than Accu-Tread. SO it deforms more when in contact with the lane surface, providing more contact area; so, it will or should grab earlier in both solid AND pearlized formats. SO, IF BOTH BALLS WERE IDENTICAL, THEORETICALLY, the Monsoon ball should grab earlier than the Accu-Tread ball and hook more. The difference will not be as much as the difference between solid resin and solid particle, but there should be an easily seen difference.

FYI this is not a new discussion; it has been held before in this forum.

tburky · « **Reply #14 on:** December 27, 2004, 03:23:37 PM »

Maybe the thing that is missing from this discussion is the block. The recharge has a taller block than the charge. When I first drill new equipment, I do my benchmark layout. By doing this I can compare the balls to each other. For instance doing the same layout and surface between the xtreme and the deuce, the extreme picks up a tad sooner than the deuce and the extreme is a lot stronger in the back than the deuce. The extreme has not really been a good ball for me. I have drilled 4 and with the exception of 1(a layout Chris from Buddies told me to try) they don't really roll like I thought they would. Also, the extreme has been very sensitive to oil downlane. The XXX Factor goes longer down the lane and flips harder than the X Factor. The X Factor starts up sooner and does not flip as much as the XXX. Here is an interesting item on the X factor. When I put the pin on the X Factor over my middle finger and the rad 2" to the right of centerline the ball goes really long and flips. Same layout in the XXX picks up quicker on the lane and behaves similar to the x factort...go figure. Just thought I would put my two cents worth in.

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