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Fluff E Bunnie

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Passion vs. Agent sanded
« on: June 14, 2006, 05:59:16 AM »
Here's a question for those of you who know a lot about Storm equipment...

What would the difference be between a Paradigm Passion and an Agent (sanded to say 400 or 600 grit)?

Would the Agent come close to the Paradigm Passion or no contest?  I have seen a Passion roll in person and it is pretty awesome.  I haven't seen an Agent in action yet.
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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Passion vs. Agent sanded
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2006, 02:04:39 PM »
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I dont think the agent would be too far behind, but the coverstock on the Passion is a little more agessive and the weightblock is deffinitally more agressive.  I personally think they would complement eachother awesome.
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I am sure they complement each other awesome!  However, owning both would not complement my bank account that awesomely in my current situation...

So say you couldn't buy both and you were choosing between the two.  How would the two compare?
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Re: Passion vs. Agent sanded
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2006, 02:18:39 PM »
The question really is do you need the Passion for the lane conditions you face?  The ball is fantastic in heavy oil, any less I use my Paradigm.  If you are playing heavy oil, buy the Passion, anything else get the Agent or better yet in my eyes, buy the Paradigm...
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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Passion vs. Agent sanded
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2006, 02:23:18 PM »
Interesting...

The reason why I ask is because I am pondering what future ball I am going to buy.  I really wanted the Vertigo but now I am considering the Agent and the Passion.  I still want the Vertigo, but I get so many mixed reactions over it that I wonder about it.

Here's what I have so far:
One: Blue Dot
Two: Tropical Storm drilled standard
Three: Dark Thunder drilled stongest
Four: Vertigo(?) Passion(?) Agent(?) Black Widow(?)

I am not going to be buying this 4th ball for a couple of months (and lessons) so I am trying to gather some facts on these.  I am not sure if I really NEED all the hook that a Passion has, but I do want something to cover the higher end of oil.  

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Re: Passion vs. Agent sanded
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2006, 07:37:46 PM »
The only person who can answer your question is yourself. How much oil to you bowl on regularly? If it's a lot, then go with the Passion or Vertigo. If it isn't really heavy, only moderately heavy, then you might look at the Black Widow. If it's primarily medium oil, then go with the Agent. Of the balls you mentioned, you can probably get the Vertigo for the cheapest, just because it's being discontinued, not for it's performance. On most house patterns, you rarely need a really heavy oiler. Just depends upon where you bowl.

All are very good bowling balls. You won't be disappointed with any of them, provided they are used on the conditions for which they are designed. I will say this however, the advertisments for the Black Widow do mention that it is designed with a cover that is easily altered to fit lane conditions.

Chuck

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Re: Passion vs. Agent sanded
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2006, 08:16:08 PM »
Take lessons first get new balls after. You might be suprised that what you learn might totally change your game and roll. Not busting your chops just knowing from experience. Its your dime though, just my .02 cents.

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Passion - should be good for all your oil needs
Dark thunder should fit here, pretty aggresive ball. Set up strong?? probably roll early?
Agent- set it up for length on medium patterns i wouldn't dull it up unless your game calls for that need, not really what it was designed for though. (reference first statement)
Tropical- good spot for it
Dot: Great spot for it
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Re: Passion vs. Agent sanded
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2006, 10:17:34 PM »
Just from my experience with that Dark Thunder -- if you're not going to make it the strongest ball in your arsenal, I'd mute the surface on that ball a pretty good bit. There's a big jump from a Dark Thunder to a Tropical, especially if your Dark Thunder is in box or somewhere below box. When mine was in box matte, it was pretty strong; when we took it down to 600, it became easily the strongest ball in my arsenal, and that includes a Machine, a DynoThane Cure and a Yeah Baby. And this is with my Dark Thunder driller pin pretty far up over the ring.

If you buy an Agent, I'd leave the Agent with the box finish and then drop the surface on the Dark Thunder. If you buy a Passion, I'd take the surface on the Dark Thunder up -- way up. Given the cracking issues with the Passion, if it were me I'd get the Agent and change the surface on the Dark Thunder.

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Re: Passion vs. Agent sanded
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2006, 07:39:39 AM »
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Take lessons first get new balls after. You might be suprised that what you learn might totally change your game and roll. Not busting your chops just knowing from experience. Its your dime though, just my .02 cents.

Storm related:

Passion - should be good for all your oil needs
Dark thunder should fit here, pretty aggresive ball. Set up strong?? probably roll early?
Agent- set it up for length on medium patterns i wouldn't dull it up unless your game calls for that need, not really what it was designed for though. (reference first statement)
Tropical- good spot for it
Dot: Great spot for it


Thanks for the input.  I actually have my first lesson today so I will find out how early/late I am swinging and what ridiculous things I am doing with my release.  I am definitely NOT going to buy a new ball until I feel comfortable with what I am doing first.  As of now, I will release the ball perfectly for one week and then forget how to do it the next.

I did record myself bowling and I looked a lot better than I thought I would.
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Re: Passion vs. Agent sanded
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2006, 07:45:14 AM »
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Just from my experience with that Dark Thunder -- if you're not going to make it the strongest ball in your arsenal, I'd mute the surface on that ball a pretty good bit. There's a big jump from a Dark Thunder to a Tropical, especially if your Dark Thunder is in box or somewhere below box. When mine was in box matte, it was pretty strong; when we took it down to 600, it became easily the strongest ball in my arsenal, and that includes a Machine, a DynoThane Cure and a Yeah Baby. And this is with my Dark Thunder driller pin pretty far up over the ring.

If you buy an Agent, I'd leave the Agent with the box finish and then drop the surface on the Dark Thunder. If you buy a Passion, I'd take the surface on the Dark Thunder up -- way up. Given the cracking issues with the Passion, if it were me I'd get the Agent and change the surface on the Dark Thunder.

Jess


You know that was actually my plan too.  I was going to buy a "hook in a box" heavy oil ball and then shine my Dark Thunder up a lot.  I really want to experiment with the Dark Thunder's surface but as of now it is my only dull ball so I am kind of leaving it the way it is for now.  I am currently using Track Clean N' Sheen on it so it may be a little shinier than OOB finish.  Have you tried shining the ball up yet?  I have the Storm Reacta Shine which I use on my Tropical Storm.
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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Passion vs. Agent sanded
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2006, 07:48:18 AM »
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The only person who can answer your question is yourself. How much oil to you bowl on regularly? If it's a lot, then go with the Passion or Vertigo. If it isn't really heavy, only moderately heavy, then you might look at the Black Widow. If it's primarily medium oil, then go with the Agent. Of the balls you mentioned, you can probably get the Vertigo for the cheapest, just because it's being discontinued, not for it's performance. On most house patterns, you rarely need a really heavy oiler. Just depends upon where you bowl.

All are very good bowling balls. You won't be disappointed with any of them, provided they are used on the conditions for which they are designed. I will say this however, the advertisments for the Black Widow do mention that it is designed with a cover that is easily altered to fit lane conditions.

Chuck



I was trying to "cover all the bases" here because I actually bowl in a lot of different places.  Some places have no oil at all when I go and some have crazy amounts where my Tropical Storm skids all the way down.  I am trying to not get stuck in a rut of playing in the same place over and over so I try to go somewhere new whenever I can.
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Re: Passion vs. Agent sanded
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2006, 08:09:09 PM »
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Just from my experience with that Dark Thunder -- if you're not going to make it the strongest ball in your arsenal, I'd mute the surface on that ball a pretty good bit. There's a big jump from a Dark Thunder to a Tropical, especially if your Dark Thunder is in box or somewhere below box. When mine was in box matte, it was pretty strong; when we took it down to 600, it became easily the strongest ball in my arsenal, and that includes a Machine, a DynoThane Cure and a Yeah Baby. And this is with my Dark Thunder driller pin pretty far up over the ring.

If you buy an Agent, I'd leave the Agent with the box finish and then drop the surface on the Dark Thunder. If you buy a Passion, I'd take the surface on the Dark Thunder up -- way up. Given the cracking issues with the Passion, if it were me I'd get the Agent and change the surface on the Dark Thunder.

Jess


You know that was actually my plan too.  I was going to buy a "hook in a box" heavy oil ball and then shine my Dark Thunder up a lot.  I really want to experiment with the Dark Thunder's surface but as of now it is my only dull ball so I am kind of leaving it the way it is for now.  I am currently using Track Clean N' Sheen on it so it may be a little shinier than OOB finish.  Have you tried shining the ball up yet?  I have the Storm Reacta Shine which I use on my Tropical Storm.
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I haven't done much with the surface on mine yet. I've got so many balls (too many, probably) that I haven't really had to fit the DT into a hole. My suspicion is that the ball would be very versatile and easy to transform by messing with the surface.

Jess
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Re: Passion vs. Agent sanded
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2006, 03:16:51 PM »
I would imagine that the Passion would stil have a higher overall hook than the Agent while the Agent would do more in the back...If you need more overall action get a Passion if you need a ball with more in the back go to the Agent...
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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Passion vs. Agent sanded
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2006, 03:35:33 PM »
It sounds like Passion would be the winner over the Agent in my current situation...
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Re: Passion vs. Agent sanded
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2006, 12:06:53 AM »
Oh, here is something to think about:
I have talked to Jeff Carter (Storm Staff) and he really enjoys his Agent and he thinks it is one of the best balls made since the orignal X-Factor line.  So there is another thought to put in it...

Yet, I think my Passion is one of the strongest balls; but I bet you could try to get the ball to be almost as reactive; but I would not push it...If you need to know anything seen Jeff Carter a PM and he can help ya.
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Re: Passion vs. Agent sanded
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2006, 12:29:02 AM »
yeah it depends, i've used my agent at 800 grit abralon and it worked great on what i would call heavy oil just under a flood, i was able to get about 4-6 boards more than my buddies vertigo on the same condition and my agent isn't even drilled that storng, and it would be a cheaper option also
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