Author Topic: X-Factor Deuce (Read 3834 times)

Rock77 · « **on:** July 30, 2003, 05:50:04 AM »

Why is it that I hardly hear anyone talking soo highly of this ball like they do the original X-Factor and X-Factor Reloaded?? Did Storm not hype up the Deuce as much as the other two therefore hindering their sales or is this ball not nearly as good as the other two? Did they release it at the wrong time, sandwiching it between the other two X-Factor releases and not marketing the Deuce enough??
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Belgarion · « **Reply #1 on:** July 30, 2003, 09:30:47 PM »

I think it is the same reason you never heard too any people talk about the X-it or the Response. Solid high-end storm balls just do not seem to match up to their pearls and particle pearls

mumzie · « **Reply #2 on:** July 31, 2003, 12:27:44 AM »

Let me see. The Deuce. I LOVE my deuce. I sold my X Factor, and I don't think I want a Reloaded (not sure, though).
the deuce is a FANTASTIC ball - I think it came out too close to a bunch of other stuff.
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debs130 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 31, 2003, 01:01:36 AM »

My son is tearing up the lanes with his Deuce. It's the first ball he's had that enables him to really open up the lane. He's what I'd consider a tweener with medium speed and revs. He averages about 195 and has shot nothing below a 600 since he began using it. In the easier house (a well-known wall around here), he's got so much room for error that it's almost ludicrous. In the tougher house (still considered walled), he plays more down and in and still scores well. So far, from watching him and various other people throwing it, I'm very impressed.

Debbie

charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** July 31, 2003, 09:16:09 AM »

Problem is that Storm hyped it as a heavy oil ball and it's just not. It's really a medium to medium-heavy ball. It has a nice cover and a very strong core and can open up the lanes, as debs130 indicated. That can be a big problem for many balls from many companies.

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Companies hype new balls indiscriminately, people buy them for conditions for which they are not intended and then they trash the ball to others. The major example was the Tude line by Brunswick several years back. People said, "Oh, a Brunswick ball. It must be an early revving oiler. SO I'll use it in oil." Wrong. The Tude I and Tude II were great balls for medium-light to medium conditions, but everyone tried to use them for heavy oil and they didn't work. Thus they got trashed. Marketing can make or break you.
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Rock77 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 31, 2003, 09:51:34 AM »

That doesnt make sense to use a Tude on oil. Just look at the cover, it is a polished reactive ball!! One of my friends has the Tude II and it is a big time skid/flip ball for him on short, med patterns.
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charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** July 31, 2003, 10:38:28 AM »

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That doesnt make sense to use a Tude on oil. Just look at the cover, it is a polished reactive ball!! One of my friends has the Tude II and it is a big time skid/flip ball for him on short, med patterns.
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But the Danger Zone, the Speed Zone and many of that era were also polished. They certainly handled more oil than the Tudes. Oil then was not the oil now. Remember also that in 1996/7/8, we did not have the sources of info that we have now, mostly on the internet, plus Brunswick's great data sheets and ball comparisons. Most bowlers saw ads for balls, went to the pro shop and said, "I want that ball".
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mumzie · « **Reply #7 on:** July 31, 2003, 02:24:39 PM »

Ok. Maybe the deuce isn't a heavy oil ball for you. But it fills that niche nicely for me. And hit it with a green or white scotchbrite, and I bet it'll fill that niche for everyone.

The deuce comes out of the box with two different finishes. One looks satiny shiny, the other dull...
Maybe that's why it's not a heavy oil ball for some.
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charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** July 31, 2003, 03:27:46 PM »

Mumzie,

Storm says it's 1000 matte, I believe. But you say they're fooling with it now?
It would probably be heavy oil ball for many people, myself included, If I were to buy one. But, fo rthe vast m,ajority, even with a 320 finish, I think there are too many much stronger oilers out there. Last season, I saw one spinner use it in box dull condition on medium light oil.

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Steven · « **Reply #9 on:** July 31, 2003, 03:47:14 PM »

I just ordered a Duece after much soul searching.

I've own a lot of equipment over the past few years -- I'd say 30+ balls. It's been a good cross combination of Ebonite, Track, Storm, with a sprinkling of Columbia and Lane#1. I asked myself of everything thrown over thousands of games, what ball has been most versatile and dependable on different league conditions?

The answer is my El Nino Gold. It rolls hard, and is hard charging (without being flipply) at the break point. I can use on everything from medium-light to medium-heavy. The hit is as explosive as anything I own. The ball has been sanded, polished, sanded again, polished, plugged, redrilled, and still has most of it's pop after 300+ games.

From everything I can tell, the Deuce is the closest ball to the Gold currently offered. They both appear to have the same ACCU-Tread reactive cover, and the cores are close in spec (the Deuce has a slightly higher RG). Anyway, they are close enough to give it a go.

If the balls are similar, it's beyond my imagination why the Duece isn't more popular.
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Shaggy · « **Reply #10 on:** July 31, 2003, 05:46:34 PM »

I am a stroker with medium speed and medium revs. I have thrown the X-Factor which is a good ball, but I was disappointed with its versatility. The ball worked great as long as there was some head oil and the backends were dry, but the X-Factor did not work well on light carrydown.

I have since drilled a Deuce and found what I expected from the X-Factor. Both the X-Factor and Deuce are great balls, but the Deuce fits my game much better.

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #11 on:** July 31, 2003, 10:30:42 PM »

I have read it once in a prior post, but I think the Deuce is a bad kind of ball for what people expect out of Storm.

I have not thrown a Deuce, but it seems to me to fall in line with the Trauma Response and El Nino Xit. Dull surfaces just do not grab the dry and fly like pearls reactive or particle. They dull surface (or solid, however you want to look at it) give a more readable roll, more consistant reaction. It is meant to be used on oil though, and people try to play them with a snap and it is not going to happen.

Another reason I think the Deuce is not as popular as the original is that when the original came out Randy Pederson sold ALOT of them when he won on TV. Everyone wanted one. But if you looked here or on Ebay, after a month or so many of those same people decided to sell them. And I do not picture the ReLoaded selling like the original because of that reason either.

Bottom line, the core is pretty cool, and if I were going to buy a ball in this line it would be the Deuce, it would fit my game better.

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Rock77

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