I have a crunch it i can part ways with. It is a 16 lb with finger tips and thumb slug. Has minor scratches, since its such a hard ball. I cant use it anymore at my bowling center because it destroys the oil in 4 frames because it is light-medium oil. I have pics, but they are to big to insert in message, if you would be interested in buying it and seeing the pictures, email me at ryhanus@aol.com