Author Topic: UpRising layout help (Read 1235 times)

JS · « **on:** September 06, 2008, 05:18:38 AM »

I'm looking for help and suggestions for a drop down ball from my current UpRising, which could be another Track ball in the lineup or another UpRising with a different layout. My current UR is laid out 4" pin (under ring, close to centerline) at 40 degrees (MB 4" from pap on VAL) x 55 degree VAL. My pap is on the lower side (4" over on midline) as is my speed (about 15mph).

I'm reading the UR layouts now and looking at drilling #2. My current layout is almost like this except the pin is below the bridge instead of above it. This will make the pin to pap 5" instead of the current 4"; will this make a big enough difference on the lane?

I'm bowling on Brunswick pro-anvilanes; we're second shift (8:30) but supposedly no leagues bowl before us so it's probably just open bowling. I bowl with charlest and A_P_K so guys please chime in here. The lanes are real playable when we start (I'm standing 28 aiming for 3rd arrow out to the break). By the second game I'm moving more left and still able to hit the pocket but now I'm leaving hard 10's and some pocket 7-10s. Just looking for something which will go longer while retaining energy and will kick the corners out. Gee, how easy that sounds

A_P_K · « **Reply #1 on:** September 06, 2008, 01:24:25 PM »

To be honest I thought you threw the Uprising well, it is an impressive ball. It carried better than the rest of ours, but then again all of us on the lanes had carry issues.

When I walked in the alley there were a handful of open bowlers practicing, nobody else on the lane. Also, I don't feel a lot of carrydown developed after the first game. If any did it was minor and we removed it quickly.

My Pluto started to bite a tad early in the later midlane which surprised me leaving me a better read with the Masterpiece.

This got me thinking about three things:

Take some hand out of the ball and move some boards right when you ping tenpins.

Buy a Tantrum to fit under the Uprising since your Temper was a little too early.

Or the fine folks here can help discuss layout options for Uprising #2.

Also, your Mojave (Mohara) rolled well the last game, maybe you need to step down right to that.
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SVstar34 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 06, 2008, 01:24:50 PM »

go with a Temper or a Tantrum, with the same drill as your UpRising.
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JS · « **Reply #3 on:** September 06, 2008, 01:49:18 PM »

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go with a Temper or a Tantrum, with the same drill as your UpRising.
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That's what I was thinking and I drilled a Temper with a higher pin (5" to pap) and a larger degree 60 degree and hit it w/4000 and polish. This hooked more (earlier) than my UR. I just re-looked at the BJI ball reviews and they have the UR as the longest and least hooking ball (OOB) in the Track lineup.

Anthony....it just seems (I'm thinking too much again) that there's such a gap between the UR and the MOjave (or the MOhara as you guys call it

). If I don't figure something out for the "transition" game you guys are going to make me sit out the second game (290 - 176 - 235)

A_P_K · « **Reply #4 on:** September 06, 2008, 01:59:28 PM »

Yeah John that's why I mentioned Tantrum and SVstar34 also headed in this direction. I do recall how the Temper was earlier than the Uprising.

It may seem there's a gap between the Mojave and the Uprising but I think the ball path is similar enough for you to get away with a small adjustment right. Maybe gently scuff the shine off the Mojave a tiny bit?

Like you I am thinking too much, can't tell if there is a big gap between the Pluto and Masterpiece or not.

If you think there is too much separation between the UR and Mojave maybe a Tantrum with pin in or over ring and MB at 50 degrees will do the trick.
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JS · « **Reply #5 on:** September 06, 2008, 02:06:17 PM »

That's what's confusing about the Tantrum (and I know BJI and BTM are only 1 of the many tools to help determine ball placement and useability). BJI rated the UR as Hook 47 Length 16 and Breakpoint Shape 15.5 Tantrum was Hook 47 Length 15 and Breakpoint Shape 15. So they feel that the Tantrum rolls earlier than the UR. BTM had the Tantrum slightly weaker than the UR in total hook (48 to 46) but gave both the same length rating. Now the Tantrum comes 1000 polished. I could hit it with 4000 and polish and that may do the trick. I'm thinking the UR is so versatile that maybe a different layout would make a big difference. I am very impressed with the hitting power of the UR and if I could layout another one that would work here then that would be my preference.

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** September 06, 2008, 02:15:04 PM »

John,

You have drilling #1 on your UR. That's why it hooks so much.
I think either Britton or Buddies has the video where they compare the ball reaction of Drill #1 with drill #2. In any case, I have seen it. As the UR drilling instructions say, #2 has more length and MUCH less backend than drilling #1.

I think, as things stand at Carolier right now (and that could change!!!), you could easily stand 5 boards further right when switching from UR drill #1 to UR drill #2, if you chose to get another UR.

The Tantrum, from what I have see on the videos and the reviews, is a potential candidate. My only concern is I am not sure, for you and your delivery, how close it would be to the Mojave.

Even considering that, at one point in time, our potential team name was "Next Ball, Please!", I'm thinking you should NOT rush into such a decision after a single week of bowling. I know you get itchy. (Do you still have that Rico-drilled Sure Strike? only half joking here)

By the way, when the high schoolers start bowling in the afternoon and we hit their carrydown, I bet you'll be using that too early Temper and its beautiful even reaction.
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A_P_K · « **Reply #7 on:** September 06, 2008, 02:23:40 PM »

If you do have UR #1 with the #1 layout like Jeff says it makes sense to compliment it with the #2 layout.

I'm still trying to find which line up will work best myself. I think we expected to see a lot of carrydown early in the season like last year.

Jeff also has a point, even though the purchase is justifiable I'm giving myself a few weeks to get everything in order.

Maybe try stepping down to the Movaje first, if that doesn't work than get UR #2. We'll just have to tell the secretary to change our name to "Next Ball Please"

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Jay · « **Reply #8 on:** September 06, 2008, 06:00:05 PM »

I'm surprised your Temper hooks early if it's polished. I thought it was one of the weaker balls in their line OOB, and the UR a bit stronger. The opposite seems to be true in your case.

Just a suggestion but maybe a Kinetic Pearl would fit? Either way, I think it comes down to that or the Tantrum if not another UR with layout #2. I was thinking about the Solid LevRG too, just to put the idea out there.

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