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Equipment Boards => Track => Topic started by: Dave81644 on January 21, 2014, 03:14:14 PM
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http://www.trackbowling.com/products/balls
new numbering system to....
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I'm not a fan of the new system. I like the number system in place now bc I get a ball based off of reaction. If I'm looking for something on medium oil I'm looking to the 5 series and possibly 7 or 4 series. If I need something for oil I'm looking at the T or C balls
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Cant find what the new system means. Not knowing the int diff in the name means everything to me.......wait no it doesn't.
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So they haven't laid it out for sure yet, but after watching the videos the Lx series seems to be best suited for Low rev players, Mx for Medium, and Hx for High. not sure the meaning of, or if there is a meaning of the "x", but it seems the number is the int. diff.
Don't know if it's old news or not, but I like the new track T. Traditional yet updated. Nicely done.
Matt
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Cant find what the new system means. Not knowing the int diff in the name means everything to me.......wait no it doesn't.
I think the number in the new name is still the int differential.
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Ok glad they kept the int diff for the ball in one of the weights in the name. Now you can guess which weight the int diff is.
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Ok glad they kept the int diff for the ball in one of the weights in the name. Now you can guess which weight the int diff is.
I don't know why, but you seem very bitter. I've got no dog in the fight here, I throw all motiv but I can respect when a brand makes some somewhat daring and respectable changes.
Sure, the variance in diffs through weights is kind of silly but would you have them do away completely with the number system they've used for a while now? Kind of a slap in the face to the people that like it isn't it?
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The last 2 numbers are the inter. diff. Not sure how the letters are based or what they mean.
Two interesting tidbits. The forum is gone or so it seems I can't find it on new website. No big loss there because it was not maintained and had a huge amount of spam.
The new recommendation tool is interesting. http://www.trackbowling.com/product-recommendation.html
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Thats why i dont buy any ebonite family brand equipment. I throw 16lbs and have never liked the way they have diminished the core numbers in this weight. Doesnt make much sense to me.
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Ok glad they kept the int diff for the ball in one of the weights in the name. Now you can guess which weight the int diff is.
I don't know why, but you seem very bitter. I've got no dog in the fight here, I throw all motiv but I can respect when a brand makes some somewhat daring and respectable changes.
Sure, the variance in diffs through weights is kind of silly but would you have them do away completely with the number system they've used for a while now? Kind of a slap in the face to the people that like it isn't it?
I was bitter when Ebonite bought Track out years ago but now I do not care. I am however disappointed that in the process of naming their ball with the number system they made a big deal of the int diff being in the name. Kinda lame considering it isn't accurate depending on the weight or really that beneficial in the bowlers process of picking a ball. Was hoping to see them go a different route if they changed things up, and they did not.
Overall I would say I think the rebranding of the four EBI brands have been a bit disappointing. I'm a huge Brunswick/DV8/Radical fan. I am also a ball whore when possible and am disappointed in the new stuff I have seen and the changes made in the brands. The only plus I saw today was the Black Widow. They steadily released this ball overseas for years now and finally brought it back to the states. Curious to see how it is received. Looks as though the used the overseas version and rereleased it here.
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Kidlost: makes sense. I was never sure if the int diff within the name was directed toward the consumer or to the pro shop operator, and I understand your frustration. Like I said, no dog in the fight, I was just curious.
Not to jack the thread, but I think releasing the widow line again is going to be a huge success. Can't tell you how many times I hear from customers "what's out there similar to the black widow?" I would have preferred just a straight up re release, but this I suppose is the next best thing.
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Most proshop operators don't pay attention to the int diff either. Most do not make high int diff balls these days with the exception of a few here or there. It can be changed so much by adding holes it is almost irrelative. Wished they had used a different process in the name systems more beneficial.
I am interested in the look of the new Track cores.
Agreed on the BW.
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Kidlost I get you are a fan of Brunswick. Trust me I am not on staff with anyone and I throw everything. I am just curious at how you can say the re branding has been a disappointment? Have you thrown any of the new equipment? Because so far I have thrown almost all the new stuff aside from the new Track and Hammer balls, and they have been very good. Eruption Pro, Crazy Antics, Take down, Pivot, Source and 400a are some great bowling balls. The covers and cores are much improved. If you aren't a staff member you should give one of these a try.
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Have to agree with Curt_Dupre. I've been throwing mainly Brunswick the last year or two, but got talked into an EBI demo day this past weekend. I was so impressed with the Crazy Antics I wound up purchasing one, and was pleasantly surprised by several other pieces that were available during the demo (track / hammer / C300).
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saw this info on facebook........
Lx will be the stronger balls for the bowlers who have lower rev rates
Mx will be medium strength balls for bowlers with medium revs. This will probably be the benchmark ball
Hx will be the weaker ball for the guys who have higher amounts of revs.
This new naming system will help the average bowler decide which ball would match up best with their game by using the their rev rate as a starting point.
The number will be the strength of the core. This is still similar to how we had the old number system before.
The third new thing you will notice is the names of the covers. You will see DR, MR and QR. These stand for Delayed Response, Moderate Response and Quick Response. So basically, expect to see the Hx balls have the DR covers and the Lx balls have the QR covers.
Quick correction on the comparisons, the new 11-16 numbers will be comparable to the old 8/9 series, the new 6-10 numbers would be more comparable to the 7/6 series stuff and the new 1-5 numbers would compare more to the 5 and 4 series stuff. The Lx, Mx and Hx kinda replace the T/C/A.
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forum is here http://legion.trackbowling.com/forum/
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Dave thank you for the numbering update from the website. There were 2 big reasons behind the number change. First one was the original numbering system used the first number for cover performance. This was a problem when a 5 series ball may have been stronger than a 9 series. Bowlers didn't understand why this happened. Second problem was all bowlers are different. Some "A" balls gave the angular reaction to some bowlers but other bowlers got smoother reactions. So instead of having this problem they decided to use rev rate to decide bowling balls. The system is much easier to understand and the new 3 balls are very good so far. If you haven't given any of the EBI brands a chance drill up one of the new ones and you will be surprised at how good the pieces are.
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This change is going to help the BOWLER know what they need versus what they want. Many people want to see the ball hook that is great what happens when the ball doesn't hook enough or too much, going to another ball that is designed for your style can possibly help the BOWLER become versatile. We have our own opinion about bowling balls and what they do. The people that put their minds together and make a creation have a job to do and that is try and make the best ball possible from the inside out. How do we have or handle failure and success without change.
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This was a problem when a 5 series ball may have been stronger than a 9 series. So instead of having this problem they decided to use rev rate to decide bowling balls. The system is much easier to understand
I dont think this is easier to understand. Im a guy with medium revs but if I want something weaker I need to get a ball in the Hx category thats labeled for high rev bowlers. How does that make sense? I buy a ball based off of core/cover strength and the lane condition I need it to work on, not by my rev rate
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I dont think this is easier to understand. Im a guy with medium revs but if I want something weaker I need to get a ball in the Hx category thats labeled for high rev bowlers. How does that make sense? I buy a ball based off of core/cover strength and the lane condition I need it to work on, not by my rev rate
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I can agree with you here and at the same time I think you answered your question with bringing up the core/cover and lane condition these are the first three balls that are being released. If you play video games you know a new release comes out, patches then follow at some point and time. I believe in time our styles as well as what you need the ball to work on will be what we see.
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SVstar think of it in these terms. High rev guys do not need very strong balls as this tends to make the balls burn up very fast. So HX ball line will generally be your pearl covers that will allow the ball to get down the lane. So yes if you really want a ball to go long you would want the HX 05. The LX will generally have a solid stronger cover to help a bowler with lower revs get the ball to hooks. The MX will use stronger pearls that allow the ball to pick up a touch sooner than the balls for HX bowlers. Also you will have an LX, MX, HX ball in each High Performance, Upper Mid Performance, and Mid Performance category. I truly think once you notice how these releases are you will see how much easier it is. If you have any questions I will gladly answer them.
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I get it, but I still feel like the numbers were easier. Lighter oil look at the 3/4 series. Medium oil 4/5/6 series and so on and so forth. The new cover naming is good with the response time, but I don't think I'll ever be a fan of the Lx, Mx, Hx naming for balls
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SVstar this was the problem numerous shops and bowlers had with the numbering system. 3/4/5 series out hooked some 7/8/9 series balls. That was a big problem for Track. Bowlers did not like when a 5 series ball outhooked a 9 series ball. Maybe for you the numbering system worked which is what they intended the system to do. But unfortunately you are in the minority. My 400a out hooked all my other "A" balls except for the 910A. Hopefully with this new system we can fit a bowler based on rev rate and cover stock response time. Trust me once these 3 balls are out you will definitely understand the naming much better. I will always be here to help if you have any questions. Feel free to PM me or just ask on the forum.
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Outhooked or matched up better to the lane condition? The 7/8/9 series are strong core + strong cover so if there isn't enough oil then the lower numbered balls will cover more boards as they conserve energy better
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SVStar they out hooked those balls. I am pretty sure I know the difference between balls burning up and basks not being used on the right conditions. Not trying to be an ass but I have a pretty vast knowledge of ball layouts and reactions. I understand almost numerous aspects about bowling. So yes some lower numbered balls hooked more.
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No offense taken, and I hope you haven't taken offense to things I've said. I've got a 910A on the way and I hoping it fills my gap of something that can handle a little more oil while still allowing me to get inside
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Not at all. I really think you are going to like the 910A. Depending on how you throw it you may need to knock off some of the shine but it rolls very well. Let me know how you like it.
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check these vids for a good explanation of the new numbering systems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GFsj11bYidc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ez3R-9cUmZU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OvqXZxt_9bs
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Curt_Dupre or anyone tell me if I understand correctly. Track will use Lx, Mx, and Hx just like C, T and A. Some in each level. As I see it the reaction is now based on rev rate as compared to oil level. So the High Performance will be the oil ball and mid performance the dryer ball, and you pick the Lx, Mx, and Hx according to your specs. in each level of performance.
As an example I have a 505c2 which is in the same section as the Hx05. However, I am not a high rev person more like the mid to low rev level(275-300). So, of the 3 new balls none equal the 505c2, for my rev rate I would have to wait for an Lx05 or Mx05 in the mid performance level? Or just drill the Hx05 with a different layout?
Also for me with less revs would the Hx05 act like the present 300C if I (mid revs?) wanted less backend, or would the drop in revs cause a bigger loss of backend then the 300c and/or is the reaction tied into the drilling layout.
Maybe too many questions but Track did do away with the discussion forum and this seems to be the better option then facebook.
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I hope this is not to confusing:
The new naming system is going to be its own brand with the previous naming bowling balls that were labeled as C possibly would be continuous for you but maybe hook stop or angular for me. This is geared to help the bowler depending on their rev rate, with the bowling balls being released this is the benchmark the higher level (Lx16) to a lower level of bowling ball performance (Hx05). I can agree yes High Performance will mean medium-heavy to heavy oil.
In that case you can compare the reaction you are looking for will the Lx16 give me this look with a different layout maybe but it would be earlier because of the nature of the ball and do you want the ball that strong maybe or maybe not. Mx10 here you are getting extremely close to what you are looking for the ball isn’t going to be as early nor as late . Hx05 its possible this could be the ball you are looking for the beauty of all the bowling balls you can brainstorm with your pro shop operator and figure out what is going to work best for you with your rev rate, tilt, rotation, and speed. That is were being more personal with your ball driller becomes crucial instead of saying here is a ball you know my style you know what I like punch holes in it please. Now you can go on the lanes find out your numbers look at the ball that is going to fit the best and let the layouts begin. Also the covers QR, MR, DR will help as well Quick Response is sooner, Mid response is in the middle and or later then quicker response, Delayed Response is going to react later down the lane then both QR, and MR (of course layouts can change all of these characteristics).
It is very possible you can get the bowling balls to react similar by cover this ball is going to get down the lane by core with the lower number it might not be violent however with a sharp backend drill or a angular layout you could possible get that shape you are looking for down the lane and or a little sooner.
This is my opinion we all do this sport because we have different reasons to hate, like, or love the game when we purchase a ball that is a huge investment you want that ball to work and you are hoping it will bring you success no one bowler has liked every ball they have had. I just want us (bowlers) to take the time out to understand our game once the ball leaves our hand and goes out on the lane, why not know your speed? Why not know your rotation? And why just settle or guess on a layout (unless you are experimenting) We can only hope the person that is drilling our bowling balls doesn’t mind helping us get those numbers.
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Not a fan of the name change, the existing system was perfect, the problem is that Track just wasn't good with developing balls according to their own system. The pieces were quite good, but I think this has more to do with them not being able to make a quality ball in their high end 900 range. For me all of the balls under 900 were fantastic, but the 900 series was so hit and miss.
Oh well, my favorite balls of that generation will always be the 920T, 505T, and 505C.