Post by: clintdaley on June 13, 2005, 05:36:52 AM
I compared these to 2 of my GP2s that are drilled identical, one factory surface, one with magic shine, 2 of my original Xceptions that are drilled identical, one with factory surface, one with 2000 grit to knock the polish off, and 2 Rules, drilled the same, one with factory surface, one with magic shine.
Before I threw any of my other stuff, I tried the 5.0s. Lanes were fresh oiled, THS for classic scratch league, which is a slightly different shot than the rest of the leagues. 5.0 #1 went down the lane, made a SUPER turn and crunched the pins. After I repeated the shot a few times with similar results, I switched to the other 5.0, and moved 3 boards left with my feet and eyes. Same result! The knocked off polish let the ball grip the lane a little better, enabling me to move inside a bit more.
Compared to my GP2s, they were about 3 boards less overall, but I saw a much more defined backend with the 5.0s. I can see where, if I have to, move inside and this ball will carry for me, or at least help me with my little tilt and high speed.
Compared to the original Rules, I stood in essentially the same spot and was hitting the same mark, but the 5.0s hit better and was more forgiving...I have problems with resin from my speed and tilt, and shy away from them until I have to throw them. I had some success with the Rule, but the 5.0 gave me a little more room and better overall hit.
Compared to the original Xception, the 5.0s turned up a few boards earlier ( I was 2 boards further right with my feet with the original X) and had just as good as backend as the original X. When I got wide with the original X or tugged it a little, it had a tendency to overreact to the dry/under to the oil. When I did that with the 5.0, it smoothed out in the dry and was able to try to turn over in the oil, the beauty of particle.
Overall, a great ball for ANYONE to have in their bag, whether for a tourney or just league night. This ball will sell TONS! A step down from the GP2, but a logical one. This ball really completes an awesome line of high performance asymmetricals for 2004-2005 from Track. I hope next years are just as good, because this last year was flat out AWESOME!
6/23/5
I have since the original review compared the 5.0 with the following balls on a separate occasion:
2 Arsenal Aggressives, drilled with my favorite drill (pin under ring, cg in palm) one is factory surface, other has Magic Shine.
2 Arsenal Angulars, drilled with my favorite drill, one factory surface, one I believe I hit with 2000 a while back, but not 100% positive.
1 FAZ drilled with my favorite drill, factory surface
1 Heat drilled with my favorite drill, factory surface
House had just oiled their regular league pattern.
The 5.0 was consistantly covering about the same line as the Aggressives. The dull Aggressive and the dull 5.0 were only a few boards, if that for me different. Aggressive moved more up front, 5.0 had more on the backend. Pretty much saw the same from the shined ones, 5.0 had more backend there as well.
The Angulars were about a few boards less than the 5.0. The 5.0, for me, fit right between the Arsenals. The dull 5.0 moved sooner than the dull Angular and the factory surface 5.0 had more backend than the factory surface Angular.
The FAZ moved way earlier then either of my 5.0s. Both 5.0s had more pop and backend then the FAZ. Probably not enought oil for the low RG of the FAZ, but can't do much about that.
The Heat went way longer then either of the 5.0s, and had less backend than the factory 5.0, and was on par with the dulled 5.0 in the backend. I was 4-5 boards right with the Heat when compared to the 5.0s.
Didn't have much time, but these are pretty much the recaps in a nutshell.
Clint
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Edited on 6/13/2005 1:32 PM
Edited on 6/23/2005 10:02 AM
Post by: bowler257628 on June 13, 2005, 01:52:36 PM
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Post by: clintdaley on June 13, 2005, 02:02:37 PM
They came in on Tuesday...so you were one day off...darn close though!
Lane1- As for the GP2, if you haven't seen, I have decided to carry 6-8 GP2s with me next year. I think I can cover anything I will see except VERY BONE DRY by surface adjustments and different drills with the GP2. For me, I have very little tilt, high speed, and average revs. I tend to favor particles due to that reason. However, for anyone with some hand, I would agree with you, if the GP2 is over/under for them, this ball would be able to step in and pick up.
Bowler- Sorry, no vids....yet.
Clint
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Post by: tenpinspro on June 14, 2005, 02:00:37 AM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on June 14, 2005, 06:59:40 AM
See, you had to wait, but it was well worth it
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Post by: clintdaley on June 23, 2005, 12:49:33 PM
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Post by: Rock77 on June 23, 2005, 01:34:51 PM
BTW, sent you a message!!
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Post by: clintdaley on June 24, 2005, 08:50:30 AM
Clint
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Post by: clintdaley on June 24, 2005, 10:44:12 AM
I am VERY interested in the Blue Heat (2.54 RG) Its higher than most...but not quite where I like them. I killed with AMF when Del was there...shot 300s with Ti Hawk and Nighthawk Revenge....both high RG balls. (2.57 and 2.58 I believe, to be exact).
Clint
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Post by: clintdaley on June 24, 2005, 10:59:58 AM
Clint
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Post by: clintdaley on June 24, 2005, 12:28:14 PM
Clint
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Post by: clintdaley on June 24, 2005, 03:33:28 PM
Ex has 3 kids as well. I think there is a pattern forming.....
Clint
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on June 25, 2005, 04:30:46 PM
AND, if there were to be a Carl/Rick parenthood...Rick would be the parent so he can pay my bills, keep me out of trouble, and ofcourse have to pick me up during those LATE NIGHT Nationals parties.
-Carl
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Post by: cooksey on June 25, 2005, 04:39:37 PM
Thanks, cooksey
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on June 25, 2005, 11:29:29 PM
Clint is out of town, so I will try to answer for him.
Considering the Phenom Unleashed's OOB surface and the 5.0 OOB surface:
The Unleashed gets an earlier read on the lane, and doesn't backend like the 5.0. In my opinion on a THS the 5.0 will open up the lane much more than the Unleashed will.
NOW....this is an experiment that I have not done, so this is only speculation, but I feel that if you were to give them both identical surface preps the 5.0 would read the lane at about the same point at the Unleashed, but it will still backend more because of the Goo LS resin base.
-EX-
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Post by: tenpinspro on June 27, 2005, 02:07:36 AM
I also get a sooner read from my Unleashed compared to my 5.0. The 5.0 being polished OOB does get down the lane cleaner but has much more finish comparatively.
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Hey rick wouldn't be one of his little kids would it? LOL!
Hey chi, it would be the other way around. My oldest daughter is older than Carl!...hahaha She's 30...yes...I'm old.
Sorry Clint, hope things went well bud.
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Post by: tenpinspro on June 27, 2005, 07:38:34 AM
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RICK, it's not polished - it's 1000 grit compound (I think)... GOSH!
Finish 1000-Grit Compound Polish
Have you seen one yet D PAT? It's pretty shiny bud....
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Post by: srlunatic on June 27, 2005, 08:05:01 AM
Decided on trying a strong drilling for me to see if can get this to roll a little sooner than if drilling the same as my Xception. Went 4 X 5. For me this places the pin about 1/2 inch right of thumb. I have had trouble with stacked layouts on symmetrical layouts and wanted to see if I could get an early roll, strong breakpoint reaction which is something I am lacking. CG ended up stacked to pin and off to the lane I went...
House shot 38 feet with a bit of backend. Shot is around 10 board with a little swing, but if get it out too far, wash-out city. Tiny pull is 10 pin, bigger pull is serious trouble...
Played in the track and saw that the 5.0 does read a little later than my Unleashed did, but when the 5.0 decided it was time to turn.....WOW! Mad hops would be a good way to decribe it! Really strong off the breakpoint and hit the deck with some serious energy! My entry angle was a little later than I would like, but even on the late shots carried extremely well.
Decided to take the polish off the 5.0 to see if it would allow me to control the breakpoint more with it slightly scuffed. I really liked my Phenom Unleashed 2 (Resin) dulled as it really evened out the reaction and was looking for a bit stronger ball (particle pearl) but with the same even/controlled movement. Right back out to the lane and the scuffed 5.0 read the lanes about 2 feet earlier and was still strong but much more smooth off the breakpoint and still had the same hit as the polished. The dull gave me a little more mistake area and reduced the exotic split scenerio that I could see me get into with the polished 5.0.
All and all, a most excellent offering from Track. May get a second and really dull it up and kick the mb out to the VAL and see how if it can handle a little more than my current 5.0. I haven't had much luck with particles and maybe this will give me the look I am hoping for on the big oil shot....
Plus it is such a pretty ball...;-)
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Post by: clintdaley on June 27, 2005, 09:39:54 AM
Glad you like the ball, its an awesome piece, isn't it!
Clint
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