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Hogsharley

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A little help with the Up-Rising
« on: December 01, 2008, 01:55:42 PM »
I used it for the 1st time tonight and it didn't have the continuation in the back end that I was expecting. In fact it was weaker than both my Big Rig Diesel @ 1500 abralon and my Rapid Fire with OOB cover. I couldn't even use it until the 3rd game tonight which is 2nd shift on the oil.

It has the #1 drill with the pin under and in center of the grip line and the mb kicked out 3 inches. The cover is OOB. I was thinking about knocking the cover down to 4000 abralon. Any other suggestions?
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Re: A little help with the Up-Rising
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2008, 10:10:47 PM »
Go ahead and try it again at 4000.

Something that I've just picked up on....though I can't speak for other bowling styles but the Rising series as a whole is extremely MB location sensitive.

But like I said before, try it at 4000 first.
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Re: A little help with the Up-Rising
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2008, 10:13:52 PM »
I think the move down to 4000 could help you a bit.  I also have my Up-Rising with the same drill, and kind of saw the same thing, but I was happy with the reaction.  Not as much flip as my Black Widow Venom, but that really is to be expected.  I had to work with it a bit to find the niche for it, and don't get to throw it as much as I'd like, since I made the move to throwing mostly Hammer, but I do get it out once in a while in practice, and the hitting power really is great when you find the line with it.  As always, give it a few different surfaces, and try them on different oil patterns, and see if you find anything that feels comfortable.  I read that Track felt this was their "crown jewel" type ball, not sure it's that great of a piece, but it definitely is a very effective ball on the right conditions, for me, at least.

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Re: A little help with the Up-Rising
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2008, 10:52:09 PM »
Thanks guys. I believe the cover is 4000 polished so I'll knock off the polish 1st and try it at 4000. If that doesn't work, maybe 1500 with will do the trick.
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Re: A little help with the Up-Rising
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2008, 09:45:48 AM »
I gave up on my Uprising in oob and hit it with 1000 abralon and then clean n sheen. Tried it last night at practice, wooden lanes, THS, with heavier volume outside than normal no real bumper so I had to play relatively straight up 10. First game 238. Put it down and threw several other balls without good results, other than marginal with the Temper (195).  Threw one more game with the Uprising, 279. I hope it holds out during league play.

When oob fails, 1000 abralon and cleen n sheen seems to work on just about anything for me for some reason. You may want to give it a try. Also, Beans on 1000 is o.k. but if I get too much shine, I usually end up with over and under on fresh shots. Note, I do not want a mirror shine on any ball. Just light shine to get good reaction off the drier part of the lane.


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Re: A little help with the Up-Rising
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2008, 02:50:38 PM »
i have found depending on your line 1000 abralon pads work well for a up the board aproach like up the 5 or 10.with more speed and less revs.box finish is way to slick for my house shot.1000 just takes off the shine more or less.this is just my observation since i am not a pro
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Re: A little help with the Up-Rising
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2008, 12:17:12 AM »
What's your PAP measurements?

Definately try knoocking of the polish to 4000 or even 2000.
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Re: A little help with the Up-Rising
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2008, 03:29:26 AM »
Hey Hog,

I have a question for you.  Would you say the ball didn't roll up or did it roll and just not finish?  Taking any cover down on a ball will help overall movement but be careful, it will produce earlier movement and not necessarily offer more "backend" movement (if that's what you're looking for).  

To help clarify, as we increase surface strength (making it rougher) on a ball it will always reduce the amount of stored energy it can have so therefore it actually has less backend comparatively.  However, if the ball is not getting up, roughing up the cover some can help in producing some movement.

I'd agree with Guined in getting your pap info.  If you have an inverted track or a shorter pap, the mb may be too close for you to get the backend you're looking for.  Hope this helps some...
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Re: A little help with the Up-Rising
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2008, 11:36:11 AM »
Rick's right on in his assesment about surface adjustments and energy consumption on the lane.

Talking about the drilling that places the pin 1" above the center of your grip and the M.B. 3" right of the thumb. What we have found is the pin needs to be between 5 - 5 1/2" from your pap if your measurements produce a result less that that say 4" then the ball kind of loped.

We really saw this at the Track Training Camp. Lou Franzetti has shorter PAP measuremenst and his Rising would do exactly that, lope. Now I could throw his stuff and my PAP measure ments are over 5" and I could hook the lane with his ball.
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Re: A little help with the Up-Rising
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2008, 06:25:38 PM »
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Rick's right on in his assesment about surface adjustments and energy consumption on the lane.

Talking about the drilling that places the pin 1" above the center of your grip and the M.B. 3" right of the thumb. What we have found is the pin needs to be between 5 - 5 1/2" from your pap if your measurements produce a result less that that say 4" then the ball kind of loped.

We really saw this at the Track Training Camp. Lou Franzetti has shorter PAP measuremenst and his Rising would do exactly that, lope. Now I could throw his stuff and my PAP measure ments are over 5" and I could hook the lane with his ball.
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I will back this up too.  My PAP is 4 1/4 right and 1/4 down.  So the MB is actually past this point.  Not only do I cup the wrist but I have some power behind it too which doesn't give my Rising any chance except to sit there and look silly.
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Re: A little help with the Up-Rising
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2008, 06:32:08 PM »
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Lou Franzetti has shorter PAP measuremenst and his Rising would do exactly that, lope.  


Yes, Lou was always kinda of "lopey" I heard...

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Re: A little help with the Up-Rising
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2008, 10:19:10 PM »
PAP 4.5 > by 1 inch ^ but that was about 2 years ago. My style has changed a little so I assume my PAP did too.

I took it down to 1500 today and I subbed in a league with dry lanes and a short pattern. I only tossed it twice. 1st time was just seeing what it would do with no wrist at all and it over hooked and hooked early but everybody had that same problem. I moved left and it still overhooked, left a split and went back in the bag. The lanes at this house are so bad that there was 17 splits in the last game on my pair. 2nd game high on pair was 196 and 3rd game high was 205.

I didn't buy the ball for that house. I will test the ball tomorrow at my house and see what it will do.

Thanks everyone.
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Re: A little help with the Up-Rising
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2008, 09:48:03 AM »
Took it to practice at my home house yesterday and ball was much stronger with the 1500 grit cover. Oil was a bit dryer with some carry down but that's expected in the afternoon.

I was able to play in the center part of the lane (19 to 9) where most of the oil and carry down is and the ball responded very well off the wet. I did see the continuation to the pocket I was expecting while playing this line.

Where I really saw the ball work the best was going about 11 to 4 with some speed. The ball came roaring back and had really good pin action. The ball did not over-react at all. Some slightly high 4 pin hits but the ball never crossed over on me.

My coach was bowling right next to me and was very impressed by the ball. I will update again after next league.
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Re: A little help with the Up-Rising
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2009, 06:17:05 PM »
i knocked my uprising to 2000 adn it is my favorite ball now great continuation hooks on oil. i couldnt be happier with it. especially on fresh
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