Ive tried the storm barbed wire but it hits like grandma. For the most part the lanes are fried if you get above 16 on a 32 lane house. I right now am throwing a fear factor which never leaves the bag on a monday, and a trama, which is about the same hook potential only ive shined up the surface and throw it hard as hell. I dont have many problems with the trama except for the last game i just cant control the back end