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Strider

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Animal Drilling
« on: April 11, 2004, 06:04:51 AM »
I'm sure Excaliber and tenpinspro are getting tired of this one, but...

I have a 15# Animal on the way.  3" pin, 3 oz top.  I'm looking for something that gets through the heads pretty clean and makes a big move on the backend.  Looking for recovery.  I don't really have anything that really opens up the lane for me.  My specs and other equipment are in my profile.  I've read some of the other similar threads and plan on going back through them in more detail.

Seems like the most common recommendation was to put the pin where you normally have sucess and move the MB near the VAL.  That should work well for me since I've liked several balls with the pin just over my ring finger (4.25" from PAP) and kicking the CG right some.

I thought I remembered reading something about the Morpheus core lowering your track some and that pins below the fingers were preferred.  Can I get a clarification?

I was planning on throwing a game or so before deciding on the weighthole location.  Do the normal rules still apply?  On PAP for smoothing the reaction and outside PAP for more flare.  Should I have a target positive weight after drilling the weigthhole, around 1/2 oz?
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Re: Animal Drilling
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2004, 07:35:44 AM »
bowldoc,

I too was way confused,....king of the mill explained it to me, and I have a pin under (to the right) and I don't even come close.....if you've never thrown the morpheous core, it's tough to understand because it IS so different,...but cool
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Re: Animal Drilling
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2004, 08:28:56 AM »
bowldoc4u,

 are you saying that pin over on all Morphoues cores flair over the fingers? or just the phenom.

What is the pin to pap? MB to PAP? I have an Unleashed drilled pin 3" above midline  4" from pap and MB 4.5" from pap.

this is my highest tracking ball. as side note. the track location is very different on all three of my Morphous balls.


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Re: Animal Drilling
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2004, 10:01:54 AM »
Omega,

The pin up on the Phenom will not track over the fingers.  I had one with the pin above the middle finger but it was still one of my lowest tracking balls.

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Re: Animal Drilling
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2004, 10:21:55 AM »
Just had some great luck with a regional player shooting his first 300 in a couple of years and also an 800 on a condition he just couldn't solve with an Animal.

I'm curious that no one has asked about your axis rotation.  I believe that is so important in relation to how much one can kick out a mb/core and still get the desired reaction.

My 2 cents.

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Luckylefty
PS are you failing to get recovery from inside?  are you an up the backer, these are the important questions to be asked.
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Re: Animal Drilling
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2004, 10:30:17 AM »
quote:
Just had some great luck with a regional player shooting his first 300 in a couple of years and also an 800 on a condition he just couldn't solve with an Animal.


then what WAS it solved with ?
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Re: Animal Drilling
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2004, 10:31:31 AM »
Strider, it seems as if we have raided your thread with talk about the track flare.

Someone should start a new thread on this, because there is alot of people out there that I am sure have the same concerns about placing the pin below on the Morpheous Core equipment. I think that is totally understandable because how long they were told that it was a no no to do so.


Omegabowler,

I do not believe that bowldoc was saying you would flare over the holes if you placed the pin high. I think he was saying that if you place the pin below the finger line you will more than likely be safe in doing so. I track extremely high, TOO HIGH actually, and have never been able to get below my finger line without clipping the middle finger. On Morpheous Core balls I have been able to be far less concerned with lower pin placements.
The way I got this brave was from speaking with Del and Mo at a clinic I attended in October. They both agreed that the cores (Mo cores as well) would lower the track, for some bowlers up to 2.5 inches. Also mentioned (there was a lot spoken of, but I am only touching on a couple), was that keeping the pin below the finger line(OR closer to the midline) was taking better advantage of what this core can give the bowler.
I believed them, but I was extremely tentative in doing so. When I got back to my shop I drilled up my Unleashed almost immediately and kept the pin low. I did not even come close to hitting the middle finger. Since that point I have drilled all of my Morpheous equipment with the pin low---depending on what kind of reaction I wanted to get out of the ball.
The point----------I never drilled something for myself with the pin low because it was "against the rules". Del and Track has changed the rules, and it is a good thing.


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Re: Animal Drilling
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2004, 12:23:32 PM »
I'm not worried about tracking over the holes (thought I wrote that here, but maybe it was in several of the PM's), but with the ball hooking too early with the pin low and the CG/MB kicked far to the right.  Several experts have told me not to worry, so I'm sure it will be fine.

Axis rotation is in my profile.  I come up the back or around the ball as needed.  Not that I'm competent or anything.  I prefer to come around an "average" amount so I have some leeway for adjustment.  I am looking for more recovery from inside.  Between Excaliber, Tenpinspro, and KOTM, I think I'm ready to drill.
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Re: Animal Drilling
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2004, 06:41:58 PM »
Got it drilled today.  Pin 3 1/4 from PAP (under, a little right of ring finger), MB 4 1/4 from PAP, past VAL.  Waiting for KOTM to send me details about the weighthole.  Ending statics are 1 5/8 oz positive, 3/8 oz thumb, 9/16 oz top.
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Re: Animal Drilling
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2004, 01:51:53 AM »
Sounds like a good layout Strider. You said the MB is 4 1/4 from PAP, past your VAL------you mean right of your VAL correct? How far past it did you go?
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Re: Animal Drilling
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2004, 02:27:28 AM »
Yes, MB was right of the VAL.  It doesn't have the lines on it still, but it looks about an inch.  Hard to measure without a quarter scale.  When it was on the bench being mapped out, it looked like about 2".  KOTM sent me the location and size/depth for the hole.  I'll get at least the minimum size drilled Saturday afternoon.
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Re: Animal Drilling
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2004, 05:47:05 AM »
Hey Strider,

Sounds good, remember the Animal does want to go a little long with the out of box finish.  You might have to take it down some to match your condition, just a reminder.  Good luck and keep us posted...thanks.
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Re: Animal Drilling
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2004, 01:05:17 AM »
Got the weighthole drilled Saturday.  2 7/8" over, 1/4" down from grip center, 1" diameter, 3 1/4" deep.  Final statics are 3/4 oz side, 3/8 oz finger, 1 oz bottom.

Took it to the no-tap tonight.  They put out a heavier modified sport shot to keep the color pin payouts low.  I did shoot 300 the second game, but nothing to speak of the other two.  I had a good look, but the ball will need less polish/more surface before I consider it a med/heavy oil ball.  My Thing (see profile for drilling and surface) gave me similar length and a sharper backend.  I might have scored better with the Thing, but I went to experiment with the Animal.

What grit is the Animal sanded to, and what type/grit of polish is used?  Just removing the polish with a gray pad (1000 grit) might be all I need.  I've tried this with other shiny balls and never noticed much difference after.  Maybe I need more pressure on the spinner?
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Re: Animal Drilling
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2004, 07:14:24 AM »
Hey Strider,

I've personally tried 1000 and that wasn't enough for the heavier oil shots.  I ended up going to about 600(burgundy pad) and that gave me a real nice reaction.  It doesn't just pull up and quit like most might think.  It still gets down the lane pretty well and reads the mids nicely for a hard strong arc on the backend.  Not sure on how much backend you'll get out of yours due to the negative static weights that you ended up with.  You might end up with just a little more of a hook set reaction then others who have some positive left.  Maybe going in between to 800 might fit your Animal a little better.  Hope this helps...
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Re: Animal Drilling
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2004, 08:05:47 AM »
Strider,...

KOTM gave me my ball at about 1200 smooth....he didn't even let me throw it in box.  Med-heavy is really the heaviest I see now....but I can see this at 800 smooth too for heavier stuff NO PROBLEM....

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Re: Animal Drilling
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2004, 02:47:07 PM »
I did edit a typo (3/8 oz finger, not thumb).  I do have two positive statics - side and finger vs. one negative - thumb.  I liked the reaction, but right now it's too similar to my Thing.  I'll probably dull the Animal a bit, and maybe put a light coat of polish on the Thing.

Isn't the Burgandy pad around 320 grit?  Green  = 600, Blue = 800, gray = 1000...  Or are you talking about a Haus machine?
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