Author Topic: animal issues (release sensitive?) (Read 3976 times)

ashzero · « **on:** March 14, 2004, 11:23:09 PM »

ok, i'm about 5-11, with backswing that almost goes parallel with the floor. i think my ball speed isn't slow while not super fast, so i guess it would be medium speed. i can put decent amount of rotation on the ball as well.

i have animal drilled 4 inch from pin to PAP and 5.5 inch from MB to PAP. the pin is to 1 o'clock from the ring finger. and i think that MB is on the VAL.

in normal league shot, this ball is very very erratic. first game, i had to put it away after 5 mins of practice because this ball would slide, slide, then just crash into the pins. and sometimes, it would slide, then catch on, then make a strong, strong move to the pocket. so i went to the proshop and i had it lightly sanded with groove going across the track lines. yet, it made no difference to its inconsistancy.

i couldn't really figure why it was behaving this way, but yesterday at the league, i played with the ball for 2 games (while playing just enough to win the games). i realized that i was able to make it hook depending on the release (i think). i had to gently kinda let the ball go with my hand tilted to 20 degree (from the 12 o'clock orientation). weird thing is that if i tried to put more rev on the ball, this all would slide, try to turn, then couldn't turn the corner at the breakpoint. now, any of you out there have lots of rev and have trouble keeping this ball consistant? it may be my release, but i know for a fact that with my xfactor deuce, a little discrenpancy in release doesn't end up with ball not turning the corner at all. any help would be greatly appreciated. what should i do? i'm seriously considering trading the ball in and lose 150 dollars (or give it to my friend). this ball has less than 5 games on it and i'm desperate to know what i need to do. thank you.

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #1 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:46:36 PM »

I have noticed with all of the balls that have the morpheous core except the Mutant, FreakOut and SuperFreak that they respond very well to release changes. Some would view this as bad, because their release is not consistant, I like them being that way. I like knowing that with a slight hand position change that I can get the ball to go longer or hook stronger.

srlunatic · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:51:57 PM »

agree 100% with Excaliber....

love the Animal because of that very reason....change of release means change in reaction......variety is the spice of life ya know..*laugh*

Mike
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applegam · « **Reply #3 on:** March 15, 2004, 02:57:33 PM »

I'm sorry, but what ball ISN'T release sensitive?

ashzero · « **Reply #4 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:13:38 PM »

when i mean different reaction, it's not what you guys are thinking.

by saying it'll go longer, i'm not talking about the length. i'm talking about ball giving up while trying to turn and just softly hugging the pins.

and although i happen to tug the ball from time to time, i can tell if my release was bad enough to make the ball do wrong things (wrong moves). but with animal, even with my normal release (more rev), the ball just quits in the middle of breakpoint and goes straight to the pins. i have to specifically just stroke the ball with less rev and specific hand position to make it hook properly. with deuce, more rev i put on the ball, it'll make a stronger move to the pocket, which is not what i'm experiencing with animal. am i making any senses here?

tenpinspro · « **Reply #5 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:46:40 PM »

Hey Ash,

I'm trying to picture your layout and it sounds a little fishy. I'm sorry, but if the mb is 5.5 from your pap on the val. This would mean you have a lot of axis tilt or almost a semi spinner. Is this how you track? This would help explain the inconsistency in reaction. If your track is lower, then hitting the ball would tend to make it "spin" more vs "roll". A spin track is more sensitive to conditions vs your 20 degree tilt, that does fall in line to be true. If you stay behind the ball and roll it, you should then get a better reaction. In regards to your Deuce reacting more consistent, I'm assuming you are throwing it across a drier part of the lane so it would have more dry to consistently react from.

It also may sound like you have a little too much positive static weight in the ball. If you're maxxed out on pos side/finger, this will make a ball lope quite a bit and when you try to hit it, it should lope even more and this sounds somewhat similar to your reaction.

Recommendations are to check the static weights, double check your track for me pls and then we can go from there. Hope some of this info helps...let me know and I'll get back to you, thanks.
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T-Hob · « **Reply #6 on:** March 15, 2004, 03:58:45 PM »

I have to agree with tenpinspro. When I stay behind mine and let it roll through the oil, it makes the turn and kills the pocket. I noticed it in on my league shot and I had a game in a tournament where the only 2 balls I didn't stay behind and let it roll were the only 2 frames that I didn't strike that game. Find a release that works and stick with it.

ashzero · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2004, 04:28:18 PM »

Rick,

i don't track like spinner. that was way i used to bowl, but i have since corrected that problem and now i track very close to index finger and thumb hole. i'll take a pic of the layout tonight when i get home.

also, to check on the static weight, i would have to go to the proshop and ask them. not sure when i can get that accomplished, so i'll get you the pic of the ball (layout) and track tonight. thank you so much for your help. greatly appreciated.

ashzero · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2004, 06:28:51 PM »

ok guys, here's the link:

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jmin/P3150002.JPG

i drew a line (for my ball track). any help would be greatly appreciated.

tenpinspro · « **Reply #9 on:** March 16, 2004, 03:34:18 AM »

Hi Ash,

Thanks for pic, I need to talk to more about that later(very useful info). Okay, first thing is that layout is supposed to go fairly long with some backend finish. FYI, the mass bias is not in your val, see where your 2 points meet? Draw a vertical line thru that from the midline( horizontal line that splits your fingers and thumb in half) of the ball and that is where your val is. This layout will go fairly long in the oil line, it is not designed to pick up early and turn over. If it hits dry, you may end up jumping too hard getting O/U(inconsistent reaction) from it based on your track.

Second thing is that unless the fingers are very deep, this ball looks to have too much finger weight, maybe illegal if cg is correct. Please have that checked out.

We here in the forum have also discussed how long the Morpheus cores go down the lane when drilled above the fingers, you also have the pin placed there. This ball really isn't drilled to hook that much in comparison to what it really can do. Let's start with reducing the finger weight and maybe side weight if necessary and coverstock after that to help get you a better and more consistent reaction. This is my current suggestion before having to plug and redrill it to a stronger position overall. Get back to me pls in regards to the static weights and we'll go from there, thanks.

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Edited on 3/17/2004 4:59 AM

ashzero · « **Reply #10 on:** March 16, 2004, 10:17:37 AM »

Rick,

Thank you so much for clearing a lot of stuff up for me! Yeah, the driller is very reputable and I'm sure this ball is drilled legal. So I think the fingers are drilled fairly deep. But he did mention that the ball is supposed to have *some* length so I can have decent backend. I also think that maybe the backend's too dry, so at the breakpoint the ball is trying to jump too hard and just kind of spinning out at the breakpoint instead of making a good turn.

So which drill pattern on their ball sheet would you recommend? I think I was one of the first people who had this ball drilled from this shop and maybe the driller thought that out of box the ball would give enough hook/backend with that drilling pattern (since this ball was advertised as strong strong piece)?

I'll definitely go check with the static weight with my driller. Then if that's not enough to bring some consistency, I guess I'll try a plug/redrill. Which drilling pattern would you recommend? I'l looking for something that will pick up early in oil with heavy/strong arc that won't overreact like the current drill.

I also think that I need to look at past posts about Morpheus cores in this forum. That should help out a lot. I think this board is awesome because we have posters like you who can support Track balls so well. Thank you again and I'm greatly appreciative of your help!!!

tenpinspro · « **Reply #11 on:** March 16, 2004, 12:41:03 PM »

Your welcome Ash,

Let's start by finding out exactly what statics are first, then I'd like you to try and take down the coverstock. I'd prefer to try these first to see if we can get them to work for you before having to plug and redrill. That would be our last resort, thanks.
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ashzero · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2004, 11:48:59 AM »

Rick,

A quick question. By saying static weight, do you mean top weight, pin in/out #??

tenpinspro · « **Reply #13 on:** March 17, 2004, 11:54:59 AM »

Hey Ash,

Your "positive" static weights are, positive side, finger weight and top weight. Please try to find out what these 3 are, thanks. I'm more interested with the pos side and finger though, thanks.

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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
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ashzero · « **Reply #14 on:** March 20, 2004, 11:49:46 PM »

Rick,

Got the info today:
1/2 positive side weight
1/4 finger weight
5/8 top weight

pin at 4" from PAP
MB at 5.5" from PAP
no balance hole

I also had a lengthy talk with my local pro shop person (who is very knowledgeable and helpful), he did mention that it might be acting up because of the oil pattern on the lane I bowl at (AMF house) has changed recently. While I think he has a good point, I still don't think it explains why the ball won't turn the corner when I release with more hand behind the ball. Also, my driller also said that having an aggressive ball (such as Animal) drilled to roll early wouldn't be a good thing around here because of lack of oil. Which is the reason why they laid the ball out to go longer with good backend. Thanks for all your help.

quote:
Hey Ash,

Your "positive" static weights are, positive side, finger weight and top weight. Please try to find out what these 3 are, thanks. I'm more interested with the pos side and finger though, thanks.

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