I just picked up a used Rule (which I will have to completely plug due to large differernces in span and pitches) and am interested on thoughts about layout.  From reading posts I have noticed that a wide variety of layouts have seemed to work well for everyone.  I throw the ball on the slower side ~ 16mph with higher revs ~ 350 and have a higher track, PAP over 5" and up 3/8".  In the past I've had the most success with pin positions between 2" and 4.5" from PAP and polished surfaces, although I'm not 100% set on these.  Currently I have a Neo-Tac Khmeleon with pin above ring and cg stacked below (no weight hole), that I used for medium to drier conditions and a Track Freak Out with the pin below the ring finger and mb in strong position (with a large weight hole drilled back to negative side weight) that I use for medium to heavier oil.  I would like this ball to compliment my Freak Out as a medium to heavy oil ball, but instead of the arcing motion I get from the freak out, I would like more of an angular backend reaction.    
Comments and suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks,

S^2
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Hey SS,

Good to see ya back, haven't seen you for awhile.  Based on your info, I'd suggest a 4.5x4.50 mb from pap.  Keep the pin above fingers if possible so that we can create more length and also keep your mb away from your val so we don't let the ball get started too early.  I'd also recommend keeping this ball at higher positive statics (side and finger) so that will also help you promote more length, this can always be drilled out if desired.  Assuming that we can create the length on this ball, it should give you a very strong finish.  It is much stronger than the Freakout in comparison.  Even though you mention your mb on your Freakout is in the strong position, what is the pap distance to mb?  It can make a difference as to why the Freakout is getting started that early plus the negative side affects that as well.

FYI, my Rule is at 4.25x4 mb (with a pap of 5 and 3/4 up) gives me what you see in the video.  Oh, pin is also at 3 inches above midline.  Since you have less tilt than I do, I want to push the pin and mb distance just a little further back to offset some of your higher roll reaction.  Hope this helps some...
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff  
Vise Inserts Staff

Strapper,

Rick and I couldn't agree more on the layout for you. Just to add to what he said though:
Being that the ball was used there is no telling exactly what the surface is going to be at. If you are wanting it for the heavy mediums to heavy I would suggest staying away from polish----atleast until you can see what the ball does. Try 1200-1500 wet sanded surface and if you need more or less bite adjust accordingly.

GOODLUCK with what seems to be a ball that works for everyone.


-EX-
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C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio

Track Intl.-Advisory Staff

Strapper,

With the info you have given and the desired reaction that you have.....I would suggest keeping the MB in the area that it is on your FreakOut--in most cases this is going to be the more angular motion you are going to get out of the MB location.

You want stronger but with more backend. That MB location will do that for you. Now...keep the pin at about 4-4 1/4 from PAP, just go slightly higher with it. Meaning if that 4 inches is under your ring finger, try raising up to along side of the ring finger. Doing this will keep it strong, but will also promote more length than you are getting out of your FreakOut. Double check with Rick and see if he also thinks this would be a good layout or if he has any other good input.

As talked about previously, keep the surface kind of dull (or close to factory) and adjust accordingly if need be.

GOODLUCK...and please let me know how it works out for you.
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C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio

Track Intl.-Advisory Staff

Update:

I punched the Rule up last night.  Pin ended up at 4" from PAP and Mass Bias was 4.5" from PAP.  Placed a 31/32 weight hole 2" deep on the VAL approximately 2" below my PAP.  The ball ended with 3/4 oz side and 3/8 oz finger.  

After drilling, I was lucky enough to get a lane with a fresh house shot just layed down.  Heavier oil, about 40ft, and medium to strong backends.  First I tried this ball out with a 1000 grit wet sand surface.  After two shots I knew this was WAY too much surface on the ball!  I took it back and hit it with ebonite extender polish.  This allowed me to play a nice swing around 15 at the arrows out to about 8 at my break point.  The ball was still plenty strong and had amazing backend recovery.  Exactly what I was looking for!  Thanks everyone for all your help!

S^2
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Hey SS,

Glad to hear, great ball isn't it?  Anytime you or anyone else needs some help, please feel free to ask.  At least we can try to help offer/provide a proper match up to your game so you don't end up with an undesired reaction.  Keep us posted bud...
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff  
Vise Inserts Staff