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lilphyzx

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animal vs. gp2
« on: August 09, 2005, 05:44:56 AM »
Hey guys how many of you out there still use your animal as your heavy oil ball? How do you think it compares to the gp2. I know quite a few guys who dont care for the gp2 and I seem to be the only one with my animal these days. I also notice the gp2 shines right up as soon as it gets some oil in it where as the animal doesnt. What are your thoughts.

 

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Re: animal vs. gp2
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2005, 02:01:18 PM »
For me, my GP2 I mainly use is factory surface and is 3-4 boards stronger than the Animal I have drilled identical to it. I have used the GP2 for 5 months now, have shot 300, a couple of 800s, 799, and 791 again last week (2 stone 8s the last game cost me, including the second ball in the tenth was a stone 8-needed to strike for 8). As bad as this may sound, my main GP2 has at least 300 games on it and I have yet to resurface it(almost no dings) or EVEN CLEAN IT. Yes, this goes against everything I teach as a pro shop owner/competitive bowler. However, it has not lost any of its reaction, thus I do not see any reason for me to do anything to it at this time. Additionally, I have 2 other GP2s right now and have plans to carry 6-8 GP2s with me this year. It fits my game perfect, and I have seen many other bowlers use it with success as well. I track high and have success, I have drilled some for mid trackers, and they have had success, and I have drilled one for a spinner, and he has had success. The only time I have not had success with my factory surface GP2 is when there is lighter oil or the heads go away. The dual particle GOO cover and core is just too strong for dry lanes and will burn itself out quick on this condition. However, I have a GP2 drilled identical to my factory surface GP2 (pin under ring, cg palm, mass bias left of thumb in track) but hit it with 4 coats of Magic Shine on all 4 sides of the ball and it gets down the lane VERY WELL and makes a big move on the backend! Great ball for me to switch to when the other one starts to go early.

The Animal doesn't handle the volume of oil the GP2 does, but still has uses. Throw some shine on and I would have a nice separation bewteen the GP2 and Animal and a go to ball instead of the other GP2.

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Re: animal vs. gp2
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2005, 02:43:23 PM »
Good info. I always considered a gp2 but went the route of the arsenal aggressive instead. I really like that ball. I have a animal and it doesnt have many games on it. The pin is slightly above the fingers to the right but not far with the cg and mb stacked below it. I havent had a chance to throw it on some real juice but most mediums it seems to strong for. It will backend past the breakpoint or seem to burn up. I may consider snatching a gp2 I really like your enthusiasm towards it.

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Re: animal vs. gp2
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2005, 02:45:58 PM »
yeah those were my thoughts when thinking about a gp2 and that was the fact that i had a animal. I figured if the animal would handle floods for me then i wouldnt need the gp2, although i still dont have a true measure of how much oil it can handle with the drill that I have on it. Pin to the right slightly above the fingers with everything stacked below. Although compared to the aggressive its a few boards stronger on the backend when thrown on mediums. What do you think of the drill.

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Re: animal vs. gp2
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2005, 02:56:11 PM »
The GP2 opens the lane a little better for me than the Animal. The GP2 is usually the first ball out of my bag except at tournaments. As for the drill...anytime you have the pin above the finger line, it make the core taller, which makes the ball want to go longer and flip more on the backend. Also, you mentioned the cg and mass bias stacked below the pin. For me, because of my track and little tilt, that drill never worked for me. The mass bias in that position made any ball skid/flippy for me. I have had lots of success with mass bias placed either left of the thumb in my track or on/around the VAL for early roll. Pretty much what you are describing.

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Re: animal vs. gp2
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2005, 03:06:44 PM »
For me when the mb was on the left of the thumb I really didnt get much backend out of the ball, it made it real even. My rule was drilled like that at first. Although lately i have changed the my release a whole lot so now im more up under the ball and have been having the problem with my track clipping the thumb on some of my balls. I may have to try something different on my next bowling ball. I track high just like you do, right next to the fingers and thumb.

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Re: animal vs. gp2
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2005, 03:09:55 PM »
Exactly about our tracks. By putting the mass bias left of the thumb, that makes for the cleanest mas sbias position through the heads with the most backend, which makes sense. The further away you move the mass bias from the VAL, the later the ball rolls and the more backend you have.  However, if you have a low track, like the spinner I drill for, doing so has less of an effect on him as all of his stuff goes long due to his release. He does not see any difference in reaction until you get the mass bias out towards the VAL to help the ball want to roll for him.

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Re: animal vs. gp2
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2005, 03:19:30 PM »
All the different placements are a trip, but most of the time i partial to drills where the pin is almost even with the fingers or mabye half a inche below to the right of the fingers. I have a big blue pearl and its the only ball where the pin was to the right and above fingers quite a bit. Now that ball rolled very good especially when the backends were moving. Im going to have to try to remedy this track issue though because lately i havent been able to throw it unless im really direct in the track because its rolling the thumb.

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Re: animal vs. gp2
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2005, 03:21:19 PM »
How well do you think the animal will handle oil with the way i have it drilled? Also what drills do you think are more beneficial for people with high tracks and want good movement on the backend.

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Re: animal vs. gp2
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2005, 03:21:53 PM »
And that makes sense out of the Blue. With the pin up that high, it gave the ball some extra skid and more backend. With a low Diff, the ball could have used some extra backend, and that would do it!

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Re: animal vs. gp2
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2005, 03:24:52 PM »
Hey there lilphyzx,

I wrote my comments on the Animal and GP2 in other threads, but I don't mind giving you some feedback here. Here are pictures of the balls below...

Floods *Early Roll - GP2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/128177/RamtartsBowlingBalls/GP2_Layout.jpg

Medium Heavy *Early Roll - Animal
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/128177/RamtartsBowlingBalls/Animal_Layout.jpg

I've had the GP2 and Animal since April and have about 50 games on each of these balls. After using the GP2 a lot early on, I realized that this ball has really been condition specific for me. Considering the Strong Layout plays a big part of it. The Animal has been a different story. This ball has really shined on most Medium-Heavy shots and also bailed me out on some Reverse-Block and Sport condition type patterns.

I've learned that a Strong Particle ball like the GP2 "NEEDS," alot of oil for it to work (in my case). When I first got the GP2 I liked to use it on a variety of conditions only to find out that it worked on shots that called for lots of conditioner on the lane. If you find Oil, you will like this ball. And yes, just because it has a strong hook rating, don't think you can swing this ball from coast to coast (unless you're Anthony Chapman *achappy* hehe). I find that staying behind the ball and squaring up really makes a difference. (FYI- I have a high track like you do)

Hope this helps!
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lilphyzx

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Re: animal vs. gp2
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2005, 03:39:32 PM »
Good info, I appreciate that. I always liked the animal. And shot good games with it. I let a guy buy it from me and went and got another one because i kind of missed it. I just havent thrown it much to know what the drill that I have on mine will do.

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Re: animal vs. gp2
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2005, 03:42:49 PM »
My drill for my animal is similar to the one that you have in the pic but everything for me is stacked underneath each other.

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Re: animal vs. gp2
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2005, 03:48:10 PM »
I have mine drilled the same, pin slightly right and above ring, stacked.  I took the polish off and kept it at 1000 grit to handle some very heavy oil.  It hooked into the pocket consistantly and with great control.  I used it on medium to light oil in the summer, put some polish on it and picked up the speed, just played the oil line.  I love my animal!

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Re: animal vs. gp2
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2005, 03:52:16 PM »
pardon the hijack.....

Clint, you've mentioned several times to use 6-8 GP2's.  Questions, how are each drilled?  Are the differences in the reaction warrant 6-8 of the same ball?  Also, couldn't you simply drill say 2 or 3 and alter the cover to get the desired results?  Just curious.

Sorry for the hijack... you may now continue with your topic ...
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