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Ghost

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Delta Pin-Cg-MB Questions/Drill suggestions
« on: December 18, 2005, 11:58:59 PM »
Hi guys.

This past saturday I purchased a 15.2 lbs., Top 2.5, 4" Pin Rule Delta 1, and a friend of mine bought a Lane # 1 H2O Buzzaw, almost same specs.

I noticed the h2o has the pin, cg and offset nugget marks almost "in line" , maybe this pic explains this better:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Alenquer/Bowling/H2O.jpg

In my Delta the pin,cg and mb forms a "triangle", being the cg mark on the left side here´s the pic :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Alenquer/Bowling/RuleDelta1.jpg

My question is:

Is this correct, or the cg is mismarked ?

I read the famous "cgnomaddah" threads, but I really need your help on this ball, if it's not good, I will return the ball to the pro shop.

If there's no problem I will keep this baby, I like it a lot !!

By the way, I thought about drilling it pin below fingers, cg in palm, MB on position 2 of Track's sheet,no balance hole if possible,I'm right handed,track high, med. revs. and maybe like 18 of speed, I haven't measured my pap, what do you think about this layout ?

Thanks in advance


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Matt Fortney

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Re: Delta Pin-Cg-MB Questions/Drill suggestions
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2005, 09:39:11 AM »
you know i've probably seen about 5 delta 1's in person, and every single one of them seems to have the cg way outside the "line" formed by the pin and mb. whether it's to the left or to the right, that varied, but i have yet to see one in line.

most of the other track mb balls that i've seen have had the "line" just that...a line. is there some reason for this in the delta 1 specifically? just curious.

matt
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Ghost

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Re: Delta Pin-Cg-MB Questions/Drill suggestions
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2005, 09:50:57 AM »
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you know i've probably seen about 5 delta 1's in person, and every single one of them seems to have the cg way outside the "line" formed by the pin and mb. whether it's to the left or to the right, that varied, but i have yet to see one in line.


In my Rule the CG mark is on the right, on the Delta is on the left, I assume that CG "nomaddah"  in these balls. LOL.


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Jeffrevs

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Re: Delta Pin-Cg-MB Questions/Drill suggestions
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2005, 10:34:46 AM »
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you know i've probably seen about 5 delta 1's in person, and every single one of them seems to have the cg way outside the "line" formed by the pin and mb. whether it's to the left or to the right, that varied, but i have yet to see one in line.


In my Rule the CG mark is on the right, on the Delta is on the left, I assume that CG "nomaddah"  in these balls. LOL.


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how many guys do you need to tell you the same thing ? drill it, the ball is fine!
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Ghost

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Re: Delta Pin-Cg-MB Questions/Drill suggestions
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2005, 08:37:49 PM »
Hey Jeff, the ball is already drilled, I posted a pic on 12/19/2005 10:37 AM , you can see it 5 post before this one, my last post was just to share with Chitown and Mfortney, don't get angry

I appreciate a lot all people's responses to this topic
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shelley

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Re: Delta Pin-Cg-MB Questions/Drill suggestions
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2005, 09:06:59 PM »
Keep in mind that the amount of displacement to create pin out balls is very small.  64ths of an inch.  Given that the MB is a line through the core (PSA is a better term in that sense), a few 64ths or 32nds of an inch won't move the MB enough to be noticeable, especially since the MB is a big honkin' graphic and not a dot like the pin or CG.

It seems to me that having the CG out of line will only limit your options in certain circumstances.  I can see how that Delta One would be difficult to lay out for a lefty.  If you wanted the MB in the #2 or #3 position, the size of the weight hole would be astounding.  I haven't seen many out of line the other way, since they'd be almost impossible to drill for a righty (and hence would have a tiny market).

SH
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Ghost

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Re: Delta Pin-Cg-MB Questions/Drill suggestions
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2005, 09:19:15 PM »
Thanks Shelley, great response As I've been told the way I drilled the Delta will have a strong breakpoint and good backend, I have not tested it yet, but I think it will work right
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shelley

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Re: Delta Pin-Cg-MB Questions/Drill suggestions
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2005, 10:02:09 PM »
To follow on with the CG-no-matter, especially on MB balls, I remember someone saying that there was a test with balls with different balls where the CG was out of alignment different amounts.  They were drilled the same pin/MB location but with the CG shifted to different places and there really was no noticeable difference.

However, as with the Brunswick vids this past summer, some of the drillings required a weight hole and I don't know how that affected the reaction.  A buddy of mine has an AU where the CG is out of like like your Delta One and going by the pin/CG, it's almost a label drill while going pin/MB it's more of an early-roll drill with the MB out near the VAL.  Guess what type of reaction he gets.  Early, smooth rolling.

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Jeffrevs

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Re: Delta Pin-Cg-MB Questions/Drill suggestions
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2005, 06:05:57 AM »
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Hey Jeff, the ball is already drilled, I posted a pic on 12/19/2005 10:37 AM , you can see it 5 post before this one, my last post was just to share with Chitown and Mfortney, don't get angry

I appreciate a lot all people's responses to this topic
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I wasn't angry ......and I mis-read it in the first place ...sorry about that....looks like all is well then.....hope it works out
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chitown

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Re: Delta Pin-Cg-MB Questions/Drill suggestions
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2005, 06:58:36 AM »
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Hey Jeff, the ball is already drilled, I posted a pic on 12/19/2005 10:37 AM , you can see it 5 post before this one, my last post was just to share with Chitown and Mfortney, don't get angry

I appreciate a lot all people's responses to this topic
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Your ball is going to be strong with a huge backend.  I have 2 Delata 1's and both have out of line cg's.  They really don't matter with asymmetrical balls.  I like the layout you have on yours.  The Delta that I have dulled has the cg on the grip line in the palm and the mb is kicked further right than your about 2" more right.  Plus I have the pin under my ring finger.  This one for me has a strong arc to it.  

My second Delta has the cg about 1/2" right of the grip line  with the mb in about the same position as yours but my pin on that ball is above my ring.  This Delta I have polished with magic shine and has a monster backend to it.  A lot more than my other Delta.

I feel your will have a strong backend to it.  Let me know how it works for you.
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chitown

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Re: Delta Pin-Cg-MB Questions/Drill suggestions
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2005, 07:02:33 AM »
I kind of like having the ball with the cg out of line to the left because you don't need a wieght hole when you kick the mb further right.
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Ghost

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Re: Delta Pin-Cg-MB Questions/Drill suggestions
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2005, 09:10:22 PM »
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I wasn't angry ......and I mis-read it in the first place ...sorry about that....looks like all is well then.....hope it works out
 


It's all fine Jeff, thanks for your response and good wishes

Hey Chi, looks like you have two monster Deltas right there !

Thanks again guys, you're great !
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