Author Topic: Arsenal Reactive (Read 1992 times)

SteveAustin2808 · « **on:** September 02, 2005, 03:31:23 AM »

FASTTRACKERS,

Just wanting to get some random thoughts from everybody to see what they think about this ball. What I'm really wondering is if it will be a good replacement for the Arsenal Aggressive Particle. I was told by the guy on the Track staff here in town it could cover the same amount of boards and is actually more versatile than the aggressive. I have already purchased one and it should be here by next week. We did some tweaking with the coverstock on the Aggressive; we put some polish on it and the lanes I bowl at, it just went straight 60 ft. We took the polish off of it and sanded to 1200. Now the ball is too inconsistent. My questions are the following:

1. Why is it, in my situation, tweaking coverstocks become so critical for me?
(e.g. Polishing it causes it to not come back at all, Sanding it just basically kills it for me)

2. Will the Arsenal Reactive cover just as many boards or a few less than the Aggressive?

Have a great week and God Bless!

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clintdaley · « **Reply #1 on:** September 02, 2005, 11:52:29 AM »

The reactive will cover about the same # of boards, but in a different way. The Aggressive's Peak particle cover makes it aggressive up front, while the core is mild (med rg and diff). The Reactive has a milder cover, but the core is stronger (low rg to make it roll quicker). As you know, cover and cover prep is one, if not the most important thing about a ball going down a lane. You could have the right drill, but without the right cover/finish, it just will not work. My opinion is this, the cover on the Aggressive makes it more vunerable to changing lane conditions...particles have it rough on drying out heads, where the Reactive may make it longer, and the core's strength wil help it move for you. Although I have not used mine much, I still believe side by side the Aggressive is sooner, but the reactive is right behind it and fills a niche spot for a reaction we have needed, especially in the symmetric line.

As for your woes....do you track high, what is your axis tilt? I see your revs are decent though if your profile has not changed.

Clint
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SteveAustin2808 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 02, 2005, 11:59:58 AM »

Hey Clint,

Axis Tilt is 13 degrees, this is coming straight from the guy who drills my bowling balls.

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clintdaley · « **Reply #3 on:** September 02, 2005, 12:36:40 PM »

I see. I know my axis tilt is low (under 10 degrees last time checked and probably lower now) and I have a hard time transitioning with certain pieces. In oil, they skate as my speed and little tilt does not let the ball turn over, but get it into dry, and watch the end over end roll make the ball pick up on a dime. Thus why I have stayed away almost 100% from reactives and pearls since particle was introduced. I get the same kind of reaction you are speaking of with pearls and reactives...not aggressive enough in oil, too aggressive when they smell dry. The particles have helped me pick up quicker in oil and smooths out the reaction.

Clint
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #4 on:** September 02, 2005, 02:25:22 PM »

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1. Why is it, in my situation, tweaking coverstocks become so critical for me?
(e.g. Polishing it causes it to not come back at all, Sanding it just basically kills it for me)

Hey Michael, please keep in mind when we polish a particle cover, it does not make the ball more like a resin cover as some may think. Instead, it actually smoothens out the overall reaction because we're simply covering larger pores which then may seal and remove the intended friction properties. I'm sorry but I'll have to go back to my snowtire analogy. If we cover a snowtire with snow, it doesn't change it into an all season tire, it simply seals it and we get little to no friction at all. This exactly explains why you get too much or too little when altering the cover.

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2. Will the Arsenal Reactive cover just as many boards or a few less than the Aggressive?

I have both balls drilled specific, Aggressive (1.5x1) and the Arsenal Reactive at (6x4.75) so my look is not offering the best comparison for you. I can say however that maybe one of these 2 extreme patterns can offer you a better look if you're getting O/U from a ball because of all our over/under conditions that we encounter these days. Our paps are close and both these reactions have been very nice and controlled. Sometimes we have to think outside the box to fit a specific bowler's needs and that's why I did this to my own equipment to see what it would look like before I could recommend it to others. Hope this helps explain some.....
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SteveAustin2808 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 02, 2005, 03:24:15 PM »

Rick,

I have always felt whatever a bowling company has put out, whatever the box condition it is in, I feel they made it that way for a reason, and plus I don't like tweaking and playing with covers that much. I get the best performance out of the box. I had a C300 Throttle and it was a great ball. We sanded it to 800 and after that, the ball was completely dead. I get I should've learned my lesson then but we were trying to put an arsenal together and it seemed like the right thing to do with the aggressive was polish it. Anyways, thanks for the help guys and have a great week!

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chitown · « **Reply #6 on:** September 03, 2005, 02:35:22 AM »

I am a little different with my approach. I will usually try the original cover then after a few games I will decide if I want to change it. I have an arsenal angular with it's OOB cover this ball is good. Once I hit it with magic shine HOLY CRAP the backend was unbelievable for a partical. I can't believe this ball has that much backend. Also I have polished one of my animals with magic shine and have had great results with it on med/heavy oil conditions. You guys maybe very surprised by how much backend an animal can have.
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SteveAustin2808 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 03, 2005, 10:18:26 AM »

Mike,

I believe the Arsenal Reactive will replace my Aggressive. When I obtain an EX then we'll know which one will work. First impressions of the Hexplosion include mixed reactions. Speed sensitive and condition specific are the first thing that comes to mind. You'll know everything once I post review or if you talk to me in person first, either one. And as far as tweaking coverstocks, NO MORE! LOL! Whatever the ball is made for, that's what I will use it for! Later guys!

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Edited on 9/3/2005 10:10 AM

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #8 on:** September 03, 2005, 01:30:22 PM »

Michael,

The Reacive is not a replacement for the Aggressive. I have both of mine drilled "similiar" and they just offer a different look. The Aggressive even with a smoother surface picks up its roll sooner and the Reactive has a few boards more on the backend. I think the way to look at it is that they can cover an identical pattern just in different manners.
Think of it like this....have you ever thrown a ball and just pounded the pocket but couldn't carry? Maybe a ball change to something similiar in strength but reacts different down the lane can make up that carry problem you were having with the other ball. THAT is your situation here.

Hope this helps,
Carl
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SteveAustin2808 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 03, 2005, 03:04:42 PM »

Hey Carl,

buddy, I'm going to be honest...the aggressive has lost its aggressiveness (no pun intended)...plus the guy on Track staff here said that it would be a good replacement especially if I was looking to sell it...well...I have put it up for the time being and I'm currently waiting on the Reactive to arrive, I'm going to put it in the place and see what it can do...but as a lesson to myself, I will NEVER again tweak or mess with the coverstocks, I believe a ball was intended for what they put on it in the beginning...that is just me, not that I'm disagreeing with Carl, Clint, and Rick but I have to get comfortable with what suits me, will let ya know once I receive the Reactive how it does...thanks again for the advice guys and have a great week!

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chitown · « **Reply #10 on:** September 03, 2005, 11:06:24 PM »

Steve what ever works for you is what's important. I have had great results from changing the covers on balls. I feel the oob cover is what the ball was designed for however sometimes by changing the cover the ball works even better. A great example of this is my angular. My angular with it's OOB surface has a great reaction but when I put a coat of magic shine on it WOW the backend is unbelievable. Good luck bud with what ever approach you take.
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