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SteveAustin2808

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Asymmetric Reactives Vs. Asymmetric Particles
« on: June 05, 2005, 10:32:45 AM »
Okay, first off, this may just be me and the way I throw the ball, but I feel like I get a better reaction out of Asymmetric Reactive equipment. Examples I present are the GP2 vs. Rule and the X-Ception vs. 5.0...GP2 and 5.0 are particle coverstocks as well as asymmetric. While the Rule and X-Ception are reactive asymmetric. Why is it I feel like I get a better reaction and overall better performance from Track's asymmetric reactive line than their particle line?

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Re: Asymmetric Reactives Vs. Asymmetric Particles
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2005, 06:54:53 PM »
Steve,

Without being able to see you throw the ball and such........can only take a wild guess...

Assymetrical Particle balls are by definition balls made for very large volumes of oil.  Particle equipment will only be truly effective in big oil and are not meant to be the most versitile of equipment...meant for the big oil situations and that is it.  When you come across these conditions, there is absolutely nothing better, but if you don't have these conditions (massive oil) then the reactives will be a better choice as this is the condition they are meant for.

So in anything other than big oil, your reactives will have more versatility and better reactions...

again this is a broad generalization but holds true for most players..

Hope this helps!

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Re: Asymmetric Reactives Vs. Asymmetric Particles
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2005, 07:28:21 PM »
Mike (srlunatic)'s words seem right to me, FWIW.

As an option, why not take some polish to one of the particles and see how different/similar it is for you to an equivalent reactive resin, IF you haven't already tried that.
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Re: Asymmetric Reactives Vs. Asymmetric Particles
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2005, 10:33:41 PM »
srlunatic pretty much nailed it bud.
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Re: Asymmetric Reactives Vs. Asymmetric Particles
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2005, 10:38:31 PM »
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Re: Asymmetric Reactives Vs. Asymmetric Particles
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2005, 11:02:03 PM »
Well here is my situation with the GP2 and 5.0:

If I use the GP2 first, heavy oil with fresh backends, it jumps the gun, which don't get me wrong...I know that is what it is designed to do, but I move about 5 boards left (righty) and put it out and it leaves buckets, 2-8-10's and all that garbage. 5.0, I don't know what it is about that one, I love it! Don't get me wrong, its one of my faves, but it doesn't handle carry down well. I asked Carl about it (EX) and he said it was the best on carry down and I took his advice and tried playing it outside and firm, got some great results with that..but I just thought since it was a particle pearl that it would handle moderate heads with carry down alittle bit better. I'm getting a Rule and the original X-Ception. I had one, shot 280 with it in league this season, don't ask why I got rid of it...I got stupid and started purchasing Ebonite/Brunswick and finally I just decided on getting back to Track's stuff cuz I had so much success. I may just try polishing to see what it does...but I'm kind of scared to do that to the GP2 because they made it dull/particle for a reason and for a specific condition...I'm just trying to find the purpose. Anyways, once again guys, thanks for the help!

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Re: Asymmetric Reactives Vs. Asymmetric Particles
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2005, 11:45:02 PM »
See if I can help you here. Two of my friends had similiar problems with their GP2's just like you. They both polished them up (looked like 1500) and they both beat the crap out of their houses. GP2 is just a ball and its box surface is not a means to an end. Track equipment's covers change nicely. The ball is just a tool. Try it, and you can play up the oil line more.

I'm not a real big fan of particle pearls but they do seem to work best with a little polish and keeping your break point as close to the gutter as you can. Thety react much better rolling the ball or with just a little side roll.

I have a Mojo that I use for Pattern 'A'. I play right down board 8 rolling behind the ball and can stay there for 3 games.

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Re: Asymmetric Reactives Vs. Asymmetric Particles
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2005, 12:46:16 AM »
Mike,

When you swing something as aggressive as the Rule GP2, it burns it energy during the "swing" out to the boards you are swinging to and doesn't have the energy to get back.  See this happen alot around here. People want to swing their aggresive particles and they just burn out and leave washouts and such.  As soon as I need to make a move to swing, out comes the reactives as they don't burn energy on the swing out to the board I am aiming at, but retains it for when it hits the dry and makes its move.

Hope that makes sense...lol

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Re: Asymmetric Reactives Vs. Asymmetric Particles
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2005, 12:58:06 AM »
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When you swing something as aggressive as the Rule GP2, it burns it energy during the "swing" out to the boards you are swinging to and doesn't have the energy to get back. See this happen alot around here. People want to swing their aggresive particles and they just burn out and leave washouts and such. As soon as I need to make a move to swing, out comes the reactives as they don't burn energy on the swing out to the board I am aiming at, but retains it for when it hits the dry and makes its move.


SrLunatic hit it on the head! I encountered that tonight at a local tourney on Synthetic surface. Medium-Heavy Oil in the middle and blended to the outside with "Decent, but not screaming," backends. Couldn't swing the GP2 as I left 2-8-10, bucket and a washout in the first game. Played straighter outside and it worked wonders. The only reactive I had was an Eraser, but it couldn't handle that much oil.

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Re: Asymmetric Reactives Vs. Asymmetric Particles
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2005, 01:25:58 PM »
Hey Michael,

The guys are correct in their definition.  Based on what you're saying also tells me that either you like a stronger or later break from your ball or this is the look you're used to.  Reactives will transition harder from oil to dry vs particle so just remember to play a little tighter with your particle equipment.  Hope this helps explain some as well...
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Re: Asymmetric Reactives Vs. Asymmetric Particles
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2005, 02:51:37 PM »
Hey guys, next time I go to practice I will try to play direct lines with my particle stuff and see how that stuff comes out...

Also, LaneBed, you said to polish the 5.0 some? Is that correct? How will that make it come back more? Just wondering, it already comes out of the box with a compound polish finish (sort-of)...anyways, let me know!

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Re: Asymmetric Reactives Vs. Asymmetric Particles
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2005, 02:58:41 PM »
More polish=more skid, more energy retention for the backend=harder flip when ball encounters dry due to retention of energy.

Still need enough dry to make the ball move, but the 5.0 is very strong from what I have seen (still waiting on mine).

By the way, I vote personally for particle. I have to when I will be carrying at least 6, if not more GP2s this upcoming season.

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Re: Asymmetric Reactives Vs. Asymmetric Particles
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2005, 09:26:11 PM »
Steve
I put my X-ception in a Lustre King last year after using it in box condition.
Man you should see this thing snap. And as it tracks in it seems to snap even more. Skid snappers are the hardest kind of ball reaction to find.

As per the 5.0 if you can find a good Lustre King put it in for the whole 10 minutes. The more you can feel the surface as squeeky to your finger the more it will grab in the dry. Don't buy into that wax/polish crap that some people talk about Lustre Kings. They are the best. Hit the dry watch it fly!

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