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chitown

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asymmetrical and symmetrical part 2
« on: December 22, 2005, 12:52:20 AM »
As many of you can see I have made a post showing there is a major difference in drilling an asymmetrical ball compared to a symmetrical ball.

Now with that being said it seems to me that asymmetrical balls allow you to keep your normal release and the drill layout determines the ball reaction.  With symmetrical balls hand position determines the reaction for the most part. Example:  With a symmetrical ball if I want more of a forward roll reaction you need to change your hand position to achieve this.  If you want more of a side roll reaction you would change your hand position accordingly.

Now some may say that i'm looking more into it and more difficult than it really is.  I disagree with that statement if someone is prepared to say that.  I really feel this needs to be understood if one plans on buying an asymmetrical ball.
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Re: asymmetrical and symmetrical part 2
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2005, 09:08:11 AM »
I always understood asymmetrical cores as a way to enhance the ball reaction you drill it for - and that's my impression from my asymmetrical balls. A ball drilled for backend will produce it - the core position "overwriting" of the release will be stronger than on a symmetric core ball. YOu have a basic reaction "burned" into the ball, and it is difficult to make the ball doing other things. O.K., you can take out some hand and play with speed, but the recation shape tends to stay much the same?

That being said, it underlines your impression/statement and my personal experience that asymmetrical balls are more condition specific than  symmetrical ones. When my asymmetrical stuff "works" with the lane, it easily beats my other stuff. But if not... It is a performance specialization: When you know what to expect and know your game, an asymmetrical core CAN give you some extra punch (if drilled properly and matching your style).
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Edited on 12/22/2005 9:57 AM
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chitown

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Re: asymmetrical and symmetrical part 2
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2005, 09:10:14 AM »
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I always understood asymmetrical cores as a way to enhance the ball reaction you drill it for - and that's my impression from my asymmetrical balls. A ball drilled for backend will produce it - the core position "overwriting" of the release will be stronger than on a symmetric core ball. YOu have a basic reaction "burned" into the ball, and it is difficult to make the ball doing other things. O.K., you can take out some hand and play with speed, but the recation shape tends to stay much the same?

That being said, it underlines your impression/statement and my personal experience that asymmetrical balls are more condition specific than  symmetrical ones. When my asymmetrical stuff "works" with the lane, it easily beats my other stuff. But if not... It is a performance specialization: When you know what to expect and know your game, an asymmetrical core CAN give you some extra punch (if drilled properly and matching your style).
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Edited on 12/22/2005 9:57 AM


I totally agree with you.
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Re: asymmetrical and symmetrical part 2
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2005, 09:10:22 AM »
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Now some may say that i'm looking more into it and more difficult than it really is.  I disagree with that statement if someone is prepared to say that.  I really feel this needs to be understood if one plans on buying an asymmetrical ball.


then why post it......it's correct in your eyes....why bother, right?

[caveat: I'm not saying you're wrong....just responding to the last statement]
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chitown

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Re: asymmetrical and symmetrical part 2
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2005, 09:21:53 AM »
Jeff I said that because I feel this is real important and felt that would be the first thing soemone would say to me.
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Re: asymmetrical and symmetrical part 2
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2005, 12:25:09 PM »
I think you are correct and uncorrect at the same time. I love the versatility that an asymmetrical core offers. Think about it, when you drill an asymmetrical you have to place the MB in a position for the desired reaction based on the bowler's PAP..............if the bowler alters releases and does infact change his/her PAP wouldn't that make it an entirely different ball?

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Re: asymmetrical and symmetrical part 2
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2005, 12:52:44 PM »
Carl,

Agreed.  By changing releases and altering characteristics of roll you are in fact changing your PAP.  Strong asymmetricals do this (by lowering your track) as well, thus changing the intended reaction slightly.  Is it enough to change desired reaction?  I'm not sure.  To make a statement that symmetrical ball shape is determined by hand position at release is absurd.

On symmetric core balls pin placement and coverstock dictate reaction much more than hand position.  With very few exceptions, a low short pin particle coverstock spun like a top cannot be made to act like a high pin out pearl reactive ball thrown up the back.  This will hold true for asymmetrics as well.  Try and get an Xception to behave like a GP2 sometime based on release.  Bet it can't be done, at least not easily, or Blue Heat vs the PP Ex.

It still boils down to PIN to PAP for reaction for a given ball.  Yes MB allows for additional fine tuning.  But check with Phil Cardinale and others - including Del and Mo, it's all about the coverstock - which in some circles is believed to be 70%+ of ball shape (reaction) and core position (in three dimensions) as the ball rolls down the lane which allows for ball shape.

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