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chitown

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asymmetrical vs symmetrical
« on: November 22, 2005, 02:33:05 AM »
Asymmetrical vs symmetrical?  I know that you can change the shape of the reaction with drilling on asymmetrical balls but I feel symmetrical balls are better for changing the length of the balls thru drilling.  Asymmetrical balls have the same amount of flare when drilled 3 3/8 to 6" to pap.  So if you want to change the flare on an asymmetrical ball you have to put the pin close to your axis which then weaken the hit.

With symmetrical balls all you have to do is move the pin further away from pap to increase the length without sacrificing the hit.  This is why I tend to like symmetrical balls better.

On a side note I hear all of this stuff about spin time.  I feel that spin time really means nothing.  Take a look at the havoc.  The havoc has a spin time of like 12 sec. yet it was a very strong ball in the mid lane and great continuation.
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Re: asymmetrical vs symmetrical
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2005, 10:45:17 AM »
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Asymmetrical vs symmetrical?  I know that you can change the shape of the reaction with drilling on asymmetrical balls but I feel symmetrical balls are better for changing the length of the balls thru drilling.  Asymmetrical balls have the same amount of flare when drilled 3 3/8 to 6" to pap.


That's why the mass bias location and the strength of that mass bias is a very big factor in asyms.

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 So if you want to change the flare on an asymmetrical ball you have to put the pin close to your axis which then weaken the hit.


Wrongo Bongo banana breath! Not true......same answer as above!

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With symmetrical balls all you have to do is move the pin further away from pap to increase the length without sacrificing the hit.  This is why I tend to like symmetrical balls better.
with the proper drilling made for your game , this means a competend driller in strong asym balls, you can have a ball do anything and then some that a sym can do....

 
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I feel that spin time really means nothing.
Then you would be wrong.

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Take a look at the havoc.  The havoc has a spin time of like 12 sec. yet it was a very strong ball in the mid lane and great continuation.


Has nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact your comment proves it....spin time determines the "POTENTIAL" the ball has for a strong transition at the breakpoint....strong midlane and continuation doesne't necessarily reflect a strong or fast spin time.....

Chitown....you like your Animal !?!?  Yes you do, you love it....STRONG ASYM ball!
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Re-Evolution

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Re: asymmetrical vs symmetrical
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2005, 11:02:44 AM »
Can't say that I agree with you about changing the length on an asymmetrical ball.
Granted you retain more flare with longer pin to pap distances than with symmetrical balls but flare is only part of the equation. The core still has more distance to migrate to reach the PSA and that is more important to length than flare in my opinion. Not to mention that MB placement has an affect on length too. Take 2 asymmetrical balls and drill them both with a pin above 5" drilling with 1 being a 0° drilling and the other 115° and you will see a length difference. I think that more thought has to go into the layout with asymmetrical. balls to get the desired length and reaction shape. You also have to remember that the biggest factor to length is surface prep no matter what the core is shaped like.

I agree somewhat on spin time though.
To me spin time is more an indicator of how fast the ball will transition when it encounters friction.
In other words if you were to put the 5.0 core in the Havoc cover or vise versa the 5.0 would be more angular and the Havoc would be smoother with more continuation.
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Mitch Beasley

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Re: asymmetrical vs symmetrical
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2005, 11:37:37 AM »
Spin time means a lot about how the ball transitions off of the dry. The lower spin time the quicker it hooks off of the dry and the more likely the ball will hook stop if the lanes are two dry for the ball you are using.
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chitown

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Re: asymmetrical vs symmetrical
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2005, 03:22:34 PM »
Jeff you are correct I love the Animal.  I'm not saying that Asymmetrical balls are no good.  I feel they are great also but I do have better luck with symmetrical balls.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: asymmetrical vs symmetrical
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2005, 05:09:12 AM »
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Jeff you are correct I love the Animal.  I'm not saying that Asymmetrical balls are no good.  I feel they are great also but I do have better luck with symmetrical balls.


Oh, I know !  I just wanted to give the other points of view to yours, that's all...so you can compare and see...
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