Author Topic: AU and Rule (Read 3261 times)

Aristotle · « **on:** August 13, 2004, 03:01:20 AM »

Ok.. Hopefully I haven't made a mistake here. I decided on my new equipment that I would order a Rule and an Animal Untamed. My plans are to polish one of the two of them up and leave the other in a box condition. What drills and finish would be best? I want one for mid-heavy oil and the other for strictly medium oil.

icetink · « **Reply #1 on:** August 13, 2004, 10:16:49 PM »

I agree with Precision. The reactive coverstock of the Rule has a higher friction rating so it would be better to leave it in box condition. The Untamed would be an excellent med oil ball with a little polish!
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Lane Bed · « **Reply #2 on:** August 14, 2004, 12:42:24 AM »

I have an Untamed that has a 5X3 skid/flip drilling on it that is awesome. I put a little ( and I mean little) polish on it and it has a great s/f reaction great for medium to Med/Hvy conditions. The Rule, with any dry in the back will hook as much as the Animal. I would leave it box at least (I am going to put mine at 800 sand). This should be a better heavy oil type ball especially with the positionong of the rev lever. Should carry better than most low to medium load particles.

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tenpinspro · « **Reply #3 on:** August 15, 2004, 11:59:32 AM »

Hey Aris,

I definitely agree with Precision, Ice and LB. It wouldn't make sense to polish the stronger ball because that would only bring it down to the level of the weaker one. To get a better separation from the 2, I always recommend polishing the weaker ball to place it in the med range and let the stronger one do the job it was intended for. In this case, my Rule is much stronger than my Untamed. Hope this helps....
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Ten Pins Pro Shop
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Aristotle · « **Reply #4 on:** August 15, 2004, 11:23:30 PM »

Ok.. Given that the Rule is going to be stronger than the Untamed, what differences should I be making in the weighting? I ordered both at 16lbs with 2-4" pin.

tenpinspro · « **Reply #5 on:** August 17, 2004, 04:46:36 AM »

Hey Aris,

It depends on the reaction that you want out of them, I just mentioned in another thread that the Morpheus cores are very versatile and will react exactly the way you drill them. Let us know what reaction you want and we'll try and help...
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Ten Pins Pro Shop
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Vise Inserts Staff

Aristotle · « **Reply #6 on:** August 17, 2004, 12:20:32 PM »

I guess what I am really concerned with is backend reaction. I basically want these two balls to compliment each other in that when things start drying out a bit, I can switch from one ball to the other. The reaction that I would like to see would either be really hard arc or snap with one ball going a little longer than the other. Not sure if this is going to be possible or not, but this is pretty much what I am looking for.

tenpinspro · « **Reply #7 on:** August 18, 2004, 05:42:23 AM »

Hey Aris,

I'd definitely keep the Rule strong, I have mine at 4.25x4(mb strong) and it just won't quit. I'd probably say drill the Untamed at a 5x4(mb strong pos) and polish it to give it some additional length like the other guys have recommended as well. With the polish and mb strong on the Untamed, that should make it fit nicely into the med/med to med/lite oil ball. Hope this helps...if you need anything else, feel free to pm me...or Ex(makes him feel wanted)...lol

Rick

Aristotle · « **Reply #8 on:** August 18, 2004, 09:41:21 PM »

Well, that's kinda why I went public, just so Ex could have his crack at the whole thing.

You know that if I usually have questions it's right to you, Rick. haha!

loose5682 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 18, 2004, 09:49:21 PM »

This is kind of a comment on here, plus for my own knowledge...would putting the pin above/under the fingers make a difference in reaction amount or just shape?

On edit:
What I mean is, if he puts the ring on the AU under the fingers, would that make an overall "weaker" (and I say weaker meaning not as much TOTAL hook, the thing is still gonna hook) reaction whereas putting the pin above the fingers on the Rule would keep it quite strong?

Enlighten us all please Carl and Rick :-)

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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #10 on:** August 19, 2004, 01:21:12 AM »

Aris,

Rick's statement of drilling the Untamed with a strong MB and adding polish to the cover should work nicely. The polish will add length, but the strong MB placement will contribute to have it lay off a bit in the backend thus making it and the Rule a very good 1-2 punch.

Andrew,

In general thought placing the pin above the fingers usually makes it snap more. If for example you were to take identical balls and drill one with the pin above the bridge and the other with the pin below the bridge the difference in reaction that you will see is that the pin below the bridge ball will start up a bit sooner and give more of an arc/snap where as the other ball will give you more of a skid/snap. Naturally on oil the arc snap is going to hook more, but on a fresh house shot skid/snap can easily cover more boards and most of that comes in the backend.

Particularly when I am drilling a Morpheous Core I prefer to keep the pin low because according to Del (and Mo Pinel), drilling an asymmetrical ball and keeping the pin low helps to take advantage of the core's strength. I tested this theory with 2 Phenoms directly after that clinic I attended where Mo and Del were both there and the ball with the pin low (same MB placement BTW) hooked much sooner, still retained a good backend and hit harder than the other one.

the example above that I listed is basically in terms of a symmetrical ball.

I hope I answered that in a good enough way that you understand it. Sometimes I ramble a bit. If I didn't, just message me and I will try to explain it better.

-EX-
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #11 on:** August 19, 2004, 06:14:17 AM »

Hey Loose,

I really can't describe it better than my fellow "staff" member.

Characteristics of any ball is that a pin out will go longer than a pin in before it reacts. It boils down to simple "imbalance".

Imagine having 2 controlling weights in a ball(pin&cg), if the weights are separated apart (2-3) inches, this would create more of a wobble effect in the ball. One weight would move, then the other which helps create more imbalance. More imbalance creates wobble, more wobble creates skid.

Now imagine the 2 controlling weights set right next to each other(pin 0-1). Regardless where you put a grip to this, the weights are going to work in unison creating less wobble or "imbalance". Less imbalance allows a ball to get into a roll sooner.

This is why static weights (pos side, finger, thumb..etc) were so important in old balls without weightblocks. Other then the pancake top, the side weights helped create "imbalance" in the object to help make it wobble and create skid then hook. Drill it over the label or cg and the ball had no imbalance so it rolled early and even....hope this helps or just give me a holler.
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff

Aristotle · « **Reply #12 on:** August 19, 2004, 11:56:41 AM »

Rick, I'm sure that you are refering to the strong position as listed in the drilling instruction manual, correct? I also noticed that you measure CG when you're talking about your drilling of these balls? I didn't think that CG really played a part in the drilling of asymmetric equipment?

Aristotle · « **Reply #13 on:** August 19, 2004, 11:58:04 AM »

Ex, thanks for the statement backing and congrats on your acceptance into Track staff! It's definately well deserved in my opinion. You and Rick have both been lifesavers for me and others on this board. I may not say much very often, but I'm always reading what you two have to say.

tenpinspro · « **Reply #14 on:** August 19, 2004, 12:23:20 PM »

Hey Aris,

Sorry for the confusion, I wasn't referring to asymmetrical balls. I was just trying to answer Loose's question in a general manner. Placement of controlling weights in a ball basically do 2 things, either we assist the reaction of a ball or we delay the reaction. Just trying to give a bigger picture of the puzzle vs a piece here and there...

Rick

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