Post by: Track_Fanatic on November 06, 2006, 09:12:33 AM
Post by: pnj1967 on November 06, 2006, 05:24:34 PM
The thing that bothers me is this was suppose to last for a year. Why the change?
Del was in charge when this went to be a ball a day give away, but it was not his BABY.
That person is still at Track, and I would like to know why the change ?
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Post by: Xfest on November 06, 2006, 05:29:09 PM
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Track Mean Machine
Lane #1 Solid Cobalt Bomb
Storm Paradigm
Lane #1 Dirty Bomb
Track Machine
Track Equation
Lanemasters The Buzz
Columbia Wicked B/R/T
Track Desert Heat
Brunswick Spiral Viz-a-Ball
Do I need anymore?
Post by: J_Mac on November 06, 2006, 05:31:45 PM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 06, 2006, 05:49:29 PM
Post by: shipper50 on November 06, 2006, 08:40:50 PM
To bad they didn't honor their deadline for the ball give away.
Shipper
Post by: Track_Fanatic on November 06, 2006, 10:08:56 PM
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And the reasons to stop buying Track continue to grow!!!
Reasons? hmm. Other ball companies didn't offer this. Track equipment is by far superior to Lane 1, Storm, MoRich, Legends/Lane Masters and even Brunswick. They are pretty even with Ebonite and it appears their parent company Hammer is doing well too. If you haven't thrown any Track equipment in the past 12 months, you are missing a lot. This stuff hits, and hits harder. I have thrown equipment from all the manufacturer's except Lane Master/Legends. For my game, Track works for me. The others didn't. I commend Track for offering this. It was a way to get Track balls in people's hands to see that Track has excellent equipment.
Post by: Brickguy221 on November 06, 2006, 11:00:08 PM
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Track equipment is by far superior to Lane 1, Storm, MoRich, Legends/Lane Masters and even Brunswick.
Uh Uh....Speak for yourself. For me it doesn't work that way. Tracks older balls like the Havoc, Slash, Heat, and other such Track balls worked great for me on the conditions I bowl on, but Track's new balls the last 10-12 months with the overly strong MB's, coupled with the strong covers, and etc. don't match up to me any more. Due to that, I was forced to look else where. That's why I tried a couple of Legends/Lanemaster balls and so far they seem to be a good fit for me.
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Brick
Post by: Brickguy221 on November 07, 2006, 12:13:50 AM
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Track is good, Brunswick is good, let's call the whole thing off!
Yup, and so is Legends/Lanemasters, Ebonite, Hammer, Mo-Rich, and all the rest of the companies. It is all about match-up. In other words, each person needs to find what works best for them.
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Brick
Post by: Brickguy221 on November 07, 2006, 12:15:33 AM
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Might have to do with C300 sponsoring the PBA tour this year. Plus paying Barnes $1 million over 8 years......those things have to hit the pocketbook pretty hard.
John, don't forget about having money for the corporate people's Christmas Bonus'....lol
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Brick
Post by: newguy on November 07, 2006, 08:00:55 AM
Post by: shipper50 on November 07, 2006, 08:29:35 AM
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A simple thank you for running it in the first place would suffice. Sometimes showing some gratitude for a program goes a long way. I'd hate to think that free is the only way to get people to show some loyalty.
The loyalty I show is by wearing the Track shirt I bought with my own money, and the 10 Track bowling balls I have sitting next to my computer. I bought everyone with the pension money I get every month from working 30 years in a steel mill.
How is that for loyalty Mr. NEWGUY?
Shipper
Post by: newguy on November 07, 2006, 08:39:29 AM
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Post by: newguy on November 07, 2006, 08:46:11 AM
Post by: newguy on November 07, 2006, 08:57:52 AM
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newguy,
you're an idiot!!!
you HAD alot of loyal people that gave alot of input on these boards. As you can see, probably 85% of them no longer post because of the crap you pulled!
Thank you for the personal attack. I only offered an opinion. If you didn't like my opinion I totally understand, but to make personal attacks, well I guess you have that right.
Post by: splendorlex on November 07, 2006, 08:59:23 AM
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I'm not a bowler, but I do play one on Ballreviews.
If you don't like Wrigley, you might as well leave the country and join the Taliban.
Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Selliger of the Southern Cal bowling league. I just got a report that a member of your team, Walter Solcheck, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true, it controveens a number of league bylaws.
Post by: newguy on November 07, 2006, 09:03:52 AM
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Welcome to my ignore list, BowlingBallz, enjoy your stay!
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I'm not a bowler, but I do play one on Ballreviews.
If you don't like Wrigley, you might as well leave the country and join the Taliban.
Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Selliger of the Southern Cal bowling league. I just got a report that a member of your team, Walter Solcheck, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true, it controveens a number of league bylaws.
Mine to!!
Post by: TTforshort on November 07, 2006, 09:58:08 AM
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Phil, personally, you can do whatever you please with your company.
Jeremy
I don't think he needs your permission to do that.
Personally, I am embarrassed that someone would come on here and talk to Phil the way Z has done. Phil deserves respect for his position with Track.
TT
TT~~~>Didn't win a free ball either.
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Post by: a_ak57 on November 07, 2006, 10:01:12 AM
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Post by: Wylie on November 07, 2006, 10:13:58 AM
I'm a little upset about the B-A-D giveaway ending prematurely. I've been throwing Track (exclusively) for the past 3 1/2 years or so until just before the start of this season when I bought a Black Widow. So my loyalty had nothing to do with a free giveaway. But why say you will run it for a year and end it after 5 months? It's also pretty irritating to go enter every weekday and not win when there are people who got to win more than once. So thanks for nothing I guess.
Oh well, I'm leaning heavily towards trying another Hammer ball next anyway. So far, they seem to match up for me better.
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Post by: newguy on November 07, 2006, 10:34:26 AM
Thank you for the support. I assure you I have a grand plan for success. Jump on boys and lets go for the ride of a life time together.
Post by: Brickguy221 on November 07, 2006, 10:53:01 AM
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Holy crap. I can't believe that you people are talking to the man that MADE Track a name 10 years ago like he's some schmuck behind a keyboard.
This is Phil.
I was getting ready to post asking if this "new guy" is Phil as I thought it was. Isn't there another Track offical also called the "other guy"?
Although Track may not have held this ball give-a-way for the year as intended, I think it is great they did it as long as they did. Even if Track had done this for only one week, it is still longer than any other company did so everyone should give Track credit for that. You don't see any other ball company out here being as generous as Track was.
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Brick
Post by: pnj1967 on November 07, 2006, 11:22:44 AM
Paul
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Jeremy
Thank you for the support. I assure you I have a grand plan for success. Jump on boys and lets go for the ride of a life time together.
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Post by: freak761 on November 07, 2006, 11:35:37 AM
Post by: heatcell9 on November 07, 2006, 12:28:46 PM
Post by: heatcell9 on November 07, 2006, 12:38:54 PM
not a storm fan? http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=141992&ForumID=14&CategoryID=2
Post by: SteveAustin2808 on November 07, 2006, 12:59:53 PM
This stuff has to stop...I, for one, believe this to be the reason as to why some of the gurus that post in the Track forum have stopped posting...because of idiotic childishness on the part of users who have nothing better to do than cause problems...and to be honest, I'm considering leaving the forums as well because of this crap...
--Michael--
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Post by: Xfest on November 07, 2006, 07:57:40 PM
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Jeremy
Thank you for the support. I assure you I have a grand plan for success. Jump on boys and lets go for the ride of a life time together.
Phil, anytime. People still crave stuff that you made 10 years ago. So I know we're in for something else.
Brick,
Other Guy is Billy O, if I am not mistaken. He was with Dyno, but not sure about Track. Correct me if I am wrong.
And as of these stone 8's or gutterballs, you watching shows from the 80's or something? What does that have to do with ANYTHING?
Weirdo.
Jeremy
Billy O is with Brunswick now..
You can here his voice in the new Total Inferno video.
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Track Mean Machine
Lane #1 Solid Cobalt Bomb
Storm Paradigm
Lane #1 Dirty Bomb
Track Machine
Track Equation
Lanemasters The Buzz
Columbia Wicked B/R/T
Track Desert Heat
Brunswick Spiral Viz-a-Ball
Do I need anymore?
Post by: newguy on November 08, 2006, 08:01:12 AM
Post by: newguy on November 08, 2006, 08:24:21 AM
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Well, here is the history lesson:
In 1972 a man by the name of Dick Hass from Kent/Ravena Oh. bought the Manhattan Rubber plant in Lagrange Georgia.
By 1975 he was calling his company Star Trak. Some of his blems were called Star Traxxx.
From 1975-1990 he made urethane bowling balls. That is right! Urethane came out in 1975 with the MSG Star Trak. This ball had a very small styrofoam core surrounded by a deep pancake block covered in 2 inches solid urethane.
Dick made the MSG Star Trak, the Star Trak Pro, The Pro S, The Force 1, 2, 3 and 10, X15 red, X15 blue, the ST10, The Equalizer red, blue and black, The Equalizer 2, and the Reactor series. In 1989 Dick went bankrupt, and the urethane provider took over the company and changed the name to Track, Inc.
The reason for the bankruptcy was non payment of taxes, poor quality control, core separation and no market. Dick simply was not a businessman but his core designs for the time were as revolutionary as anything that Mo Pinel or John Fabanich came up with years later. It was hard competing against the Black Hammer, Columbia Black U Dot, The Ebonite Thunderbolt, and AMF Black Angle.
Other small companies like Gem Tek, Eureka, and others quickly went out of business due to no distributorship.
When Del and I emailed a few times, he said he remembered Dicks bowling balls and actually threw some on tour when Dick bowled the tour in the 1970's and 80's. After Star Trak went bankrupt, Dick Hass sold the "Buddy bags." If it were not for Dick Hass, there would be no Track today.
Early Track balls are actually Star Traks with a Track Logo.
The Star Trak Force 10 is a Track 10
The Star Trak Equalizer is a Track Enforcer
The Star Trak Reactor is a Track Pearl
The Star Trak x15 is a Track T Shark
There ave been 100's of ball companies come and go over the past 40 years. I remember most of them, and most are gone and more will come and go.
It is the nature of the business. Bowlers are always wanting the next fix for their game.
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Bowlingdoorman
Wow what a history lesson, just a few corrections, the urethane supplier "Seegott" Solon Ohio didn't take over the plant he recouped his money by having balls built in the plant in Ohio. Having collected most of the money owed to him for urethanes purchased and not paid for by Star Trax he and I had the plant closed and sold the machines to several different ball companies in order to get the balance due us. We than approached Columbia to build the Track Balls ( the brand he and I started)in 1991 we sold the brand to Columbia.
You are totally correct in saying why Hass 's business failed, he was notorious for giving away product and getting involved in promotions that generated little to no return on investment.
Phil
Post by: rge on November 08, 2006, 01:53:18 PM
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Post by: erh300 on November 08, 2006, 02:17:23 PM
Post by: dw23 on November 08, 2006, 05:26:27 PM
Although I didn't win a ball, thanks for the opportunity Track.
DW
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Track User Since 1995 (Exclusively)
Post by: MI 2 AZ on November 08, 2006, 06:46:08 PM
Thanks for the history lesson. I have a Star Trak Force ball - which one I dont know offhand, might be a 3, just saw it the other day when I was moving some balls around - it's blue, that's all I remember. Also own a Eureka Tank.
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Post by: charlee323 on November 11, 2006, 11:47:20 AM
Post by: dw23 on November 11, 2006, 11:56:31 AM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on November 11, 2006, 01:03:48 PM
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This is crazy. The balls were free. They gave away a lot of balls for nothing but a little publicity. It's over. Let it go people.
I agree. You people that are complaining, name one other company that was as generous as Track was at giving balls away......
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Brick
Post by: T Brockette on November 11, 2006, 01:28:08 PM
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FOS - Simple.....To the point....Nuff said.