Author Topic: Been awhile, but getting the itch for a new ball! (Read 2476 times)

splendorlex · « **on:** July 08, 2008, 07:55:57 AM »

And I've been out of the loop as far as new equipment deliberately. I knew that if I kept up with it all I'd just want to buy every other new ball that came out. Anyhow, here is what I have right now.

Cell - I use the Cell when playing deeper or when I'm having problems getting anything else to turn over. It's also been a pretty decent ball on a fresh league shot.

Rival - This is drilled to be earlier, to give me a smooth, predictable reaction. I haven't used it as much as other pieces, since I often want more at the back end than this gives me.

Kinetic - This has been my go to ball since I picked it up. It's great on the fresh house shot, and I can also stick with it longer with small moves or an increase in ball speed. If nothing else is working, I go back to the Kinetic. It doesn't seem to have the backend punch that it did at the beginning, but I still really like it's reaction.

Venus - This ball honestly doesn't get much play. It seems to be too close in reaction to my Kinetic, and all things being equal I'm more comfortable with the Kinetic.

Now, with all that in mind, does anyone have a recommendation for a recent release that I should try out? I'm a bit on the speed dominant side, and play the lanes fairly straight. I prefer to stay in the track area if at all possible. When I seem to run into trouble is the third game, when the Kinetic is too strong to keep on the right side, but adding speed causes it to skate too far. Any thoughts, or do you need any more info?
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MrNattyBoh · « **Reply #1 on:** July 08, 2008, 03:58:36 PM »

It looks like the new Storm Dimension will be a really solid ball. I would also look into the Roto-grip Grand Illusion!
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splendorlex · « **Reply #2 on:** July 08, 2008, 04:00:31 PM »

I should add that I'm not beholden to any company, though I have had a lot of success in the greater Ebonite family, and the old and new Track. The Doom, Pain, Mean Machine and Kinetic have all been GREAT balls for me.
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Mark T. Trgovac · « **Reply #3 on:** July 09, 2008, 03:14:32 AM »

Splend,

If you like the normal Kinetic, and you seem to have a problem with it being to over under come the third game. I would say maybe a KE, seeing how you can pull the speed up, or maybe just another Kinetic with a layout to help you get the length without the added speed. Now the KE with the same layout as the Kinetic it tends to be a little shorter but you get alot more control off the break with it. So if you tend to get the Kinetic to push to far later when you add speed, the KE will want to grab a little faster so it should still make the turn for you. However if you picked up another Kinetic and just added say a 1-1 1/2" move of the pin further from your PAP, you should get the Kinetic to be cleaner in the heads and this will give you more length and you might not have to try and change your speed. There are other balls out there, and I am sure other people will give you great ideas on other. However seeing how you like the Kinetic I am just looking at a option based off something you already have and like the reaction of.
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Blistershurt · « **Reply #4 on:** July 09, 2008, 05:15:10 AM »

I'd say its time for a dry lane ball, get a weaker reactive ball (Power groove, scout, Hammer has the Razyr coming out I think is how its spelled)

But, that third game on the house shot, I'd get something pearl for (Emerald Vibe maybe, but I'd recommend drilling it pretty weak)
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Strider · « **Reply #5 on:** July 09, 2008, 05:43:14 AM »

I don't consider myself out of the loop, and I have only one ball newer than anything on your current list.

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Mark T. Trgovac · « **Reply #6 on:** July 09, 2008, 08:16:33 AM »

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I'd say its time for a dry lane ball, get a weaker reactive ball (Power groove, scout, Hammer has the Razyr coming out I think is how its spelled)

But, that third game on the house shot, I'd get something pearl for (Emerald Vibe maybe, but I'd recommend drilling it pretty weak)
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The only problem with something like a scout or a Razyr, is that they dont have a core in them. They have a basic pancake flip block and that is it. The Emerald vibe will be weak but you would end up still with eather a rather weak layout so you dont have to change your speed. You may also end up with a good smooth rolling layout so you can pull up your speed and not have to wonder if the ball will over skid the breakpoint.

Now I didnt say this before but I will now. I dont think going and trying to get something that is ment to be for dry lanes will work. You already have a Venus, and if the lanes were dry enough where that ball was scoring. I just wouldnt see you on here asking what ball you should get for this condition. So I would say go after a ball you are familar with, weather it be something you have now or have had. Then get a layout on it that would make it fit in the middle of the venus and the kinetic.
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BigWillyStyle · « **Reply #7 on:** July 09, 2008, 08:34:15 AM »

I don't keep up with Track too much (only ball I ever matched well with from them was my Mutant Joker), but isn't there a Kinetic Pearl coming out? Just an idea....

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Splend,

If you like the normal Kinetic, and you seem to have a problem with it being to over under come the third game. I would say maybe a KE, seeing how you can pull the speed up, or maybe just another Kinetic with a layout to help you get the length without the added speed. Now the KE with the same layout as the Kinetic it tends to be a little shorter but you get alot more control off the break with it. So if you tend to get the Kinetic to push to far later when you add speed, the KE will want to grab a little faster so it should still make the turn for you. However if you picked up another Kinetic and just added say a 1-1 1/2" move of the pin further from your PAP, you should get the Kinetic to be cleaner in the heads and this will give you more length and you might not have to try and change your speed. There are other balls out there, and I am sure other people will give you great ideas on other. However seeing how you like the Kinetic I am just looking at a option based off something you already have and like the reaction of.
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Mark T. Trgovac · « **Reply #8 on:** July 09, 2008, 09:15:06 AM »

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I don't keep up with Track too much (only ball I ever matched well with from them was my Mutant Joker), but isn't there a Kinetic Pearl coming out? Just an idea....

Big Willy Style

quote:
Splend,

If you like the normal Kinetic, and you seem to have a problem with it being to over under come the third game. I would say maybe a KE, seeing how you can pull the speed up, or maybe just another Kinetic with a layout to help you get the length without the added speed. Now the KE with the same layout as the Kinetic it tends to be a little shorter but you get alot more control off the break with it. So if you tend to get the Kinetic to push to far later when you add speed, the KE will want to grab a little faster so it should still make the turn for you. However if you picked up another Kinetic and just added say a 1-1 1/2" move of the pin further from your PAP, you should get the Kinetic to be cleaner in the heads and this will give you more length and you might not have to try and change your speed. There are other balls out there, and I am sure other people will give you great ideas on other. However seeing how you like the Kinetic I am just looking at a option based off something you already have and like the reaction of.
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Yes there is, however it has a pearl version of the KEs cover. I really dont think what he would need is something to be real skid/flip. I say this once again because if he needed something to go alot longer he would be fine with his venus. Seeing how he needs something to stay to the right and give him more control. I love the KE for this, if the roll is right it will go just as long as a Kinetic. However the cover on it makes it more controlable because of it being a more aggressive solid cover.
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directdrill · « **Reply #9 on:** July 09, 2008, 09:36:00 AM »

Scoot,

If you think the Venus is weak and meant for dry lanes, I feel you are mistaken. I have a label drill on mine, and I had to take it to 4000 Abralon and add a good dose of polish to tame down the backend. I realize that if you look at the numbers, it should be a dry lane ball, but it is much stronger than the numbers indicate.
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splendorlex · « **Reply #10 on:** July 09, 2008, 11:04:58 AM »

The big problem I am trying to address is the over/under reaction I'm getting from the Kinetic as the lanes break down. Though I have tried the Venus in this situation, I find I have the same problems with it as I do the Kinetic. I need a ball to get down the lane without skidding through the breakpoint, and perhaps the KE would fit that bill. Of course, maybe it's time I tried to get my hands on another Doom.
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louf846 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 09, 2008, 12:00:35 PM »

The Tantrum that Rob suggested would be an excellent choice. The lower RG will help it read the midlane and smooth out this over under you are getting. You can tune the coverstock to give you the length and backend you need. I absolutely love mine, it is the first ball out after the lanes start to transition, it really smooths everything out.
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ccrider · « **Reply #12 on:** July 09, 2008, 12:31:43 PM »

Noone has mentioned the Temper. But you should consider it as well. Drilled similar to your Kinetic, it will give you good midlane read, with not as strong and jumpy backend.

Plus, I have a used one, only 4 games, I will sell you for a deal

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Mark T. Trgovac · « **Reply #13 on:** July 09, 2008, 05:14:38 PM »

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Scoot,

If you think the Venus is weak and meant for dry lanes, I feel you are mistaken. I have a label drill on mine, and I had to take it to 4000 Abralon and add a good dose of polish to tame down the backend. I realize that if you look at the numbers, it should be a dry lane ball, but it is much stronger than the numbers indicate.
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In no way am I saying the venus is a dry lane only ball. The only thing I am saying is that in terms of length it should go longer then his Kinetic. So with the recommendation of another lighter condition ball would not work because he already has one and if it was able to work on the condition he would not be on here asking for help. I myself say something with good length and a lot of control on the back. If he wants to try a RG ball the saturn is good for this. I don't feel anyone makes bad equipment but it depends on the needs of the bowler at the time.

I myself would stay with the core I know so I get the same roll, and then just let a cover change give me the reaction shape I am looking for. Now for this the best ball would be the KE. However there are a lot of great equipment that would give you that.
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srlunatic · « **Reply #14 on:** July 09, 2008, 05:34:57 PM »

How about a Roto Grip Neptune....

Should be able to stay in the same line as the Kinetic when it gets too strong to keep on the right you can go to the Neptune I would think....

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