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badpoly

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best ball for a low rev guy
« on: January 16, 2006, 07:35:04 AM »
I'm posting in here as it was suggested that I would get a better reponse.  I am a low rev guy that currently is thowing a hammer hawg at about 17mh.  I've only been bowling for about a year and now have a 195 avg.. as of late I'm having some real issues leaving 8-10 splits when i hit the pocket.  It's been killing me.  I throw straight down the 7 board and play on a house shot that is synthetic and well oiled...any suggestions for a ball?

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Re: best ball for a low rev guy
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2006, 03:44:11 PM »
8-10, the ball is not continuing through the pocket to take care of the 8. Also, you are coming in a hair light so it dosent take care of the 10. It could be that the ball is burning up so it is not finishing. I had a hammer Hawg and its alot of ball and needs lots of oil to work properly! Another issue with the Hawg, it was the worst hitting ball of all time on any condition that I played it on (and yes, I did try it on ALOT of oil)! That ball left so much stupid stuff!!! After owning that ball, thats one of the big reasons I throw Track is becasue of the HIT! BTW, my signature is mainly becasue of that ball! I can carry better with a plasic ball than I could with the Hawg!

If you are playing the 7 board, you should not need that much ball to get the job done unless its a very long house shot. I would say an Arsenal angular or an Arsenal reactive at the most!
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Re: best ball for a low rev guy
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2006, 03:53:55 PM »
I would suggest maybe a Arsenal Reactive or Robo Rule.  If your oil isnt too heavy then I would probably go with the Reactive.  It has a ton of backend which will get you to the pocket and it hits like a ton of bricks.  If you play on heavier oil than the Robo will probably be a better fit for you because it is stronger in the heavy stuff than the Reactive.  I have both these balls and  I can tell you one thing they hit like a mac truck on steroids.  I have bowled probably a combined 40 games with them and I dont think I have left a pocket split yet.  I rarely leave any pocket 10 pins either.
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Re: best ball for a low rev guy
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2006, 04:30:53 PM »
The Arsenal Aggressive works for me. Got this ball over the summer & my average is up 10-20 pins over last year.
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Re: best ball for a low rev guy
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2006, 06:49:22 PM »
Since he has a Hawg, maybe go with a reactive peice rather than another particle ball IMO (maybe a particle pearl). Thats why I made my suggestions.
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Re: best ball for a low rev guy
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2006, 07:16:15 PM »
With the low rev rate I would try something strong with a stong drill.  I would go Robo Rule, Gp2 or Arsenal Aggresive.  The key will be the drill pattern.  Sounds like you should have a drill the will start reading the mids a bit sooner.  Rule and Gp2 something like 4" pin from axis and bc 1" from val. On the Arsenal 4x2 from pap. Most important don't be affraid of adding surface to your ball.  I would search for a pro shop in your area that will take the time to find you pap (positive axis point)and off of your pap.  IMO that's the only proper way to drill a ball. Good luck.
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Re: best ball for a low rev guy
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2006, 08:29:12 PM »
badpoly, there are some good suggestions here. EXCALIBER may be on later tonight and if not, probably tomorrow night and Clint Dailey will be on tomorrow. See what these two guys have to say as they plus tenpinspro is as good of advice as you will get from anyone.

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Re: best ball for a low rev guy
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2006, 10:13:21 PM »
badpoly,

Your problem is very difficult to diagnose just through words...I really wish I could watch you throw and see what the lanes are doing.

I think your problems are probably 1 of 2 things.....FIRST: the lanes are too dry in the backend and the Hawg is not finishing strong enough off of that dry, or 2: There is too much oil for the Hawg and it is not grabbing the lane soon enough.

If I had to BET I would say it is the first reason I listed. Do you have any other bowling balls other than the Hawg?

I think that a good ball choice for what you are seeing would be the Rule Delta 1. It is going to roll up well in the oil......but it will have more backend than the Hawg could even dream of giving you. The Delta is going to finish stronger off of the dry boards than the Hawg......this will create better continuation through the pins and help carry out the 8-10.

Once you have decided on the ball choice for sure, let us know....we will gladly help you choose a layout for it.

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Re: best ball for a low rev guy
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2006, 06:44:23 AM »
I would have to say you need more continuation, obviously. Particles have a tendency to burn out on drier patterns, giving you a marshmellow type hit at the pocket, and 8-10s are common results. You either need something not quite as strong, ie, Delta 1, drilled correctly to your stats and the pattern you are seeing.

However, it may also sound like there is too much oil for the Hawg....with too much oil, the ball skates too far and never picks up a decent roll and hits bad at the pocket. If this is the case, something along the lines of the GP2, Robo Rule would be what I suggest. I would also suggest a strong mass bias position to help the ball start up earlier if there is lots of oil.

Also, look around your league....other bowlers who are successful and playing roughly the same part of the lane as you, what type of equipment are they using?

If you can get back to us, it would help me out.

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Re: best ball for a low rev guy
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2006, 06:56:53 AM »
That is why this is by far the best forum on here!  These guys know what they are talking about!
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badpoly

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Re: best ball for a low rev guy
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2006, 08:07:30 AM »
Wow....thanks guys...a whole lot of great suggestions. I didn't realize there would be such good response.  Guess I'll be going Track with this next purchase.  OK...a few more things before I buy.  I would say Excalibur is correct in assuming my ball is burning out. Remember I'm a newbie here only been bowling a year...but love it.  Guys on our lanes use too many different types of balls and have differnt styles to say what is working for sure... but all seem to throw a little slower than I do in general. I guess I thought I needed a ball with the most hook possible to get more movement since I don't crank the ball...makes sense that this ball is burning out as I did notice that the ball movement changes before it hits the pins....now how would I lay this out and get the right pin length?
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Re: best ball for a low rev guy
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2006, 08:24:56 AM »
As, I said in your original post in the Misc. forum although equipment/layouts and a good grip/fit are important and will allow you to match up better....I think you are missing the boat in not taking it to the next level with some good coaching.  

You are not only leaving 8-10's because of equipment choices but also because you need to work on your timing/release and game as a whole.  To many are looking for the quick fix in equipment.  IMO....take the whole approach to your game if you love it.  Look at changing your technique so you can become a more versatile player.  Being able to change your axis rotation, revs, axis tilt, etc. will allow you to play all parts of the lane not just a down and in stroker.  When and if you get to play on different lane patterns that won't allow you to play that part of the lane..you'll be up the creek without a paddle.


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Re: best ball for a low rev guy
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2006, 09:14:43 AM »
scotts33...
I have taken some lessons and continue...hopefully it helps.  Haven't really gone into the revs part yet...he's more been working on my form to this point. Good thing is I'm not looking to go on tour anytime soon
got a decent job... I'm just looking to compete with some of these local wannabes
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Re: best ball for a low rev guy
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2006, 09:44:28 AM »
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That is why this is by far the best forum on here! These guys know what they are talking about!
 


Yes indeed they do!!!!! I love these guys and no way could I ever make myself leave this site as long as EXCALABER, Clint, and tenpinspro are here.

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Re: best ball for a low rev guy
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2006, 12:40:08 PM »
badpoly,

In order for us to suggest a layout there is more information about how you bowl that we are going to need. Since you are relatively new to bowling you may not know these terms, if that is the case visit your local pro shop and see if they can help you find the information.

First: we need to know your PAP (positive axis point). This generally tells us alot about how you come out of the ball.

Second: Many pro shops are just breaking into this part of the game....but see if you can find us your AXIS TILT. This is yet another very big factor in laying out a ball, especially asymmetrical equipment such as the Rule Delta 1.

Third: Let us know the other equipment you have....AND if possible how they are laid out.....it can help us make sure that we don't end up suggesting something that is going to duplicate something else that you already have.

Thanks,
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