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Equipment Boards => Track => Topic started by: Trackoholic on February 08, 2007, 01:54:30 AM
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Pleanty of head oil and flying backends. I've been using my Desert heat but it still flips pretty hard and is hard to predict. Same with my Equation and PM. I was thinking about either using my Robo or my Black widow in hopes to bleed off some energy before the break point. I was also thinking of dulling my Desert. Maybe this would smooth out the breakpoint? Does anyone else struggle with this condition? Any suggestions would help
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Robo Rule-Power Machine-Equation-Desert Heat-Plastic
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Well, it's not a Track ball, but there is a ball that was designed specifically for the conditions you describe, so I thought I'd mention it:
My suggestion would be the Roto Grip Venus.
Best of luck in finding the right ball.
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This isnt a track ball, but on the conditions you mentioned I score well with my Smokin inferno with a low flare layout. Im sure a ball that is meant to go long with a similar layout will work for you as well. It goes long and has a strong arc on the back.
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Black widow has back end built in. How about urethane?
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I'm pretty sure the smokin would be too strong off the break point, It is similar to my Equation being a skid snap ball. As far as urethane, I have one and the hit/pin carry is not up to par, (Scout urethane). I would really prefer using a ball in my current arsenal with some cover adjustments.
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Robo Rule-Power Machine-Equation-Desert Heat-Plastic
PS The Black Widow backends nothing like the PM or the Equation
Edited on 2/8/2007 11:55 AM
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This is the type of shot that high-load particle equipment is made for (in my opinion)... Lots of oil up front allows them to get down the lane w/out burning off too much energy. The high-load particle acts to smooth out the wet-dry at the end of the pattern. I would look into finding something along the lines of a Swamp Monster / Goliath / Mammoth / Epic Battle / (insert whatever else comes to mind)...
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If your Desert is too much on the backend you could put a hole in it to make it smoother or if it has one you can enlarge it. I use hole size and depth a lot to take the snap out of a ball and make it easier to control on the backend.
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Northwest Region PBA
Track Pro Staff 
Beasley pro shop
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Well considering the description of your lanes I beg to differ. My no mercy, inertia, absolute inferno etc all take off or burn out before they hit the pins on a fresh pair, but the smokin with its layout actually reads the lanes well. It has the lowest hook potential layout which has very little flare. You may want to experiment with a ball that is meant to go long and layed out for minimal flare.
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I agree with Strapper...first thing that came into my mind was the Epic Battle. My Battle is pretty smooth off the wet/dry.
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Are you CRAZY?????
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My desert is drilled 5 inches pin to pap with cg in grip center, so with the Deserts low flaring core this ball is not flaring much. With this drilling there is no balance hole option.
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Robo Rule-Power Machine-Equation-Desert Heat-Plastic
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you need a particle ball with an abralon finish of 4000. I suggest a Machine, an Arsenal Angular(if you can find one) or even a Robo Rule.
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Rev-O
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I think I will take my desert down to 2000 abralon, Black Widow at 2000 and try these. My Robo is my rarely used oiler with the pin 3 1/2 inches from pap which flares a ton. I will post the results I get with these two after our Fri league. Overall from what I've gathered here I am looking to put some surface on these balls so they will use more energy in the midlane and wont snap soo hard on the back.
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Robo Rule-Power Machine-Black Widow-Equation-Desert Heat-Plastic
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quote:
Overall from what I've gathered here I am looking to put some surface on these balls so they will use more energy in the midlane and wont snap soo hard on the back.
No pun intended, but now you're on the right track!
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Rev-O
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Good luck, let us know how it all works out for you.
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To me is sounds like you are need of an asymmetrical ball with the MB placed far from PAP....left of your thumbhole. My suggestion would be the Inertia. The pin distance would be 1.5-2 inches from PAP. This will cause the ball to roll and not have much left for the backend other than what the lanes will give you.
Goodluck,
Carl
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio
Track Intl.-Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
www.trackbowling.com
Tag Team Member #1
TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder
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I have been using my Inertia for a similar purpose for a while now.
It is drilled with the pin below the fingers 5" from the PAP and the mass bias about 5.5" from the PAP. I took the finish to a 500 grit Abralon pad.
For a surface that dull, the ball is still surprising clean through the front part of the lane. But the surface does give a strong midlane reaction to help bleed energy before it hits the backend.
This setup for me creates a very smooth reaction that should help on:
1. oily fronts and very dry backends or
2. flooded middle of the lane with very dry track area
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Michael
McCorveys Pro Shop (http://"http://www.mccorveysproshop.com/")
Track Amateur/Pro Shop Staff (http://"http://www.trackbowling.com/")
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I've heard about the 1.5-2 inch pin to pap drill pattern, and the mb on the negative side would probably create the reaction I'm looking for, so that will be in mind for the next ball, but I've got five balls right now and just cant justify a new one yet. I'll try the Widow at 2000 and probably put another coat of delayed reaction on the Desert for this Fri. Thanks all for the the input, I'll post later on how this works.
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Robo Rule-Power Machine-Black Widow-Equation-Desert Heat-Plastic
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The layout carl gave is the layout I have on my Inertia and then with a 4000 abralon finish, I was able to play where I wanted on a condition that was only 35 feet long and fresh stripped backends.
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Mark "scoot" Trgovac
C-G Pro Shop
Offical "Spokesman"
Youngstown, Ohio
(The fallowing is said in a larry the cable guy type voice) "You mean to tell me that if I drill a Mass bias Ba-all, that the cd dunt matter for anything other then wens you weight it up?"
"Freak Bowling Ball cleaner of the TRACK Revolution."
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Bingo, The Layout on an Inertia that Carl mentioned is now mine! I was able to get my hands on my Proshop owners Inertia with a control drill on it with the pin only 1.5-2 inches from pap and the MB left of thumb in the track area. Hopefully I will get it early this week drilled for me and ready to go. I got very lucky, and I'll post when I use it.
As far as My Fri. League I used my desert with a heavy coat of Delayed Reaction and it worked well the first two games and I struggled with over/under the third...200, 238, 156.
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Robo Rule-Power Machine-Black Widow-Equation-Desert Heat-Plastic
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It sounds to me like polishing the Desert Heat might work better for you.
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trackbowlingworld.com staff
Track amateur staff
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Not really, polish on really dry or burnt lanes will react to fast. Once the ball hits the dry the polish will make the ball jump left to fast. The smoother or duller the surface the more even the reaction. You will burn off more energy causing it to not over react. You may hit a little weak but I am sure we all rather hit a little weak in the pocket and shot at corners and maybe some small splits like 5-7's or for the leftys 5-10's rather then having to much overreaction and shooting at big 4's, or grandma's teeth.
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Mark "scoot" Trgovac
C-G Pro Shop
Offical "Spokesman"
Youngstown, Ohio
(The fallowing is said in a larry the cable guy type voice) "You mean to tell me that if I drill a Mass bias Ba-all, that the cd dunt matter for anything other then wens you weight it up?"
"Freak Bowling Ball cleaner of the TRACK Revolution."
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I was having the same problem with my Desert Heat overreacting on the backend. It would look good until the last third of the lane and then it would fly. I hit my Desert with three coats of the Delayed Reaction polish and wow what a difference. The polish took away the over/under and took 8 to 10 total boards off.
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Current Arsenal:
Track Mean Machine
Track Arsenal Artillery
Track Equation
Track Desert Heat
American Eagle Viz-a-Ball
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Sorry Scoot but I disagree on this one. Some of it depends on ball speed but the polish should get it down the lane farther and the reaction should happen later with more energy left for the hit, causing more pin action and less splits. The backend is already dry so the reaction should be the same but the breakpoint should be longer causing a stronger entry angle into the pocket and more messengers, and no I would not rather hit a little weak, I will figure out the shot and when I do the last thing I want is ringing ten pins. Nothing more depressing than throwing what seems to be a great pocket hit and getting tapped!
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Current Arsenal:
Power Machine
Strike Machine
Machine
Arsenal Artillary
Angular Artillary
Rule Delta 1
Inertia
Heat Blast
Edited on 2/13/2007 11:10 AM