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alex

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Clint need help again
« on: May 22, 2006, 12:16:02 AM »
I was given an Animal,undrilled,15lbs,top wt unknown with a 5in pin. I took it to our local pro shop and he stated he would drill it but it would do nothing but go straight because of the pin distance and the MB was located just below and a little right of the CG. I thought with these specs it would be a good ball to play down and in with.Could you help me out with any suggestions or is this ball a lost cause.

 

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Re: Clint need help again
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2006, 08:33:00 AM »
Ball is not a lost cause, but is a tough drill. Without knowing the exact top (he could actually figure it out himself on a scale) but he would have to be VERY accurate...but lets say he can't and we just go about it blindly. I would not want to send the cg toward your VAL as if there is LOTS of top, you will never get enough out with a weight hole (extra hole) and the ball will end up illegal...not what you want. BUT, if you lay out the ball like this:

Draw a straight line from the pin through the cg...use that as the centerline for your grip. place the cg in the palm of where your span. This will leave the pin about 3 inches or more above the finger and 5 inches above midline, BUT, the ball will be legal, and with the pin up that high, it will get down the lane well. The mass bias being by the thumb makes the ball more stable as well and will help it get down the lane.

OR....you can place the cg in the center of your span and then rotate the pin to wherever you want it...the closer you get to your VAL, the sooner the ball will react with less backend...it creates earlier roll. By leaving the cg in the center of the palm, the ball will not be illegal.

As a caution though, EVERY comapny has mismarked cgs....not saying this is one, but by finding the true cg before drilling, it may help you IF it happens to be mismarked......if it ends up a 3 inch pin as the cg is mismarked, then you can drill the ball with more flex available to you....we could move the cg and mass bias around to get a different reaction....

However, if the driller can not determine the true top or true cg (if mismarked) I would say you have to keeop the cg in your palm and then rotate the pin wherever you want it to be...

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Re: Clint need help again
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2006, 08:38:52 AM »
Or.....you could always just send it to me....I know I could find a use for it.....

Just kidding

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Re: Clint need help again
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2006, 08:40:26 AM »
Clint,

He said Animal, not Robo Rule!
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Re: Clint need help again
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2006, 09:28:26 AM »
Hey now..ask Dawn how many Animals I had...its something with particle balls...Animal...GP2....Robo....hmmm....


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Re: Clint need help again
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2006, 09:38:08 AM »
Thanks again,i will give it a try.

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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2006, 10:42:36 AM »
Maybe....but for me...I have 1 Robo with the pin about 2 inches or so from my VAL...it starts sooner for me and has less backend than most of my other Robos...its a great ball for lots of oil in the heads and clean backends as it will rev up early for me but be smooth enough on the back it does not overreact to the crisp backends...

But, different strokes for different folks, and I see exactly what you are saying...can't disagree with ya, just what I see out of it is different for me..

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Re: Clint need help again
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2006, 06:15:26 PM »
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I took it to our local pro shop and he stated he would drill it but it would do nothing but go straight because of the pin distance  


WRONG! Completely untrue Alex.  I had an Untamed which was a 5 inch pin and all I had to do was move the mass bias closer to val (2.5) and it rolled super early.  Dependent upon your desired reaction, the static weight you'd want to be more careful of is the finger/thumb weight due to your vertical shifting that is typically desired because you don't want to end up with a 6-7 inch pin to pap layout.  Remember we can also alter the surface as needed to create our desired reaction, the Animal was still one of the best and most receptive balls to coverstock change.

Typically we (drillers) would shift upright some from the mid line to keep the pin closer to fingers which will create "thumb weight" on a long pin ball but can be drilled out with a weight hole in the thumb positive quadrant if you don't want the ball to roll early.  Your static weights will still have some effect dependent upon your speed to rev ratio.  If you're speed dominant, it will have less effect but if you are rev dominant, you will see positive statics play more into your overall reaction.  

The Animal also had a fair amount of axis retention which means it went fairly long based on it's design.  Just make sure to not place your pin further out then your pap distance.  If your pap is 5 by 1/2 up (hypothetically), do not place the pin longer then 5 inches or it "can" go a little too long dependent upon your mb placement as well.  Give us your pap and we'll try to help with a layout, thanks.
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Re: Clint need help again
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2006, 07:27:10 PM »
My pap is 4/1/4 over and 1/2up,i am right handed.

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Re: Clint need help again
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2006, 10:25:50 AM »
I want to thank everyone for their help but it seems i have a bll that no one wants to drill.I took Clints drilling suggestions with me to two pro shops last nite and got just about the same answer from both shops,to conplicated without knowing the top weight and having such a long pin.I am going to keep this ball and the drilling suggestions and hope to find a shop in the future that can help me out.I want to say thanks again for your help.

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Re: Clint need help again
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2006, 10:42:41 AM »
If you send me a ball to match, I will drill it for you.

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Re: Clint need help again
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2006, 01:27:35 PM »
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My pap is 4/1/4 over and 1/2up,i am right handed.


Hey Alex, a simple 4x3.5-3.75mb with the pin about 3.5 above mid line (then remove thumb weight with a hole in the thumb/positive quadrant) should be fine for a down and in reaction.  

I don't understand what the problem is with the other shops.  All you have to do as with "any" other ball is to lay it out to spec and then throw it on the scale to check your existing static weights to make sure it's not extremely high (like 3 ounces of pos side or something).  I can usually pull back anything under that with a 1 1/8 bit 2.5-3 inches deep.  I'm sorry but their inexperience sounds too strange or inconsistent with normal drilling procedures. Even if they knew the top weight, don't they weigh out balls after setting up a layout to see how much they need to remove to keep it legal?  That's just the norm for me...sorry to hear this but I'll also offer to drill this for you like Clint.  Whichever of us is closer or whatever makes it easier for you will be fine by me, just trying to help.

I can even help you one step further.  Have your shop guy draw a line from pin thru cg about 8-9 inches.  Then align that sideways horizontally with the cg in the center of the weight bar (or facing towards the weight bar) on his DO-DO scale, zero it out and then flip it 180 degrees to the other side of the scale and find out what the top weight is.  This is how you find top weight on a ball.  If this is what's stopping them from drilling it, then they can find the top weight by following these steps.
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Re: Clint need help again
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2006, 03:03:45 PM »
Thanks guys but before i put you guys out i am goung to shop which is about thirty miles south of me and i will post how it comes out.I hope a lot of people read this forum so they can find out what a great group of people represent this forum and Track,thanks again.