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dw23

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Controlling dry midlane
« on: June 05, 2006, 04:37:47 AM »
Hi Everyone,

I wanted to get everyones opinion on controlling dry midlanes. I know how to change hand positions to tame my ball reaction but do you use particle or reactive and do you use pearl or solid.

Thanks everyone,
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Re: Controlling dry midlane
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2006, 08:55:36 AM »
DW, I'm ready to scream man!...lol  Brought another 3 balls to league on Tues, (urethane, Xception and Unleashed).  First 2 games get slammed by a guy who has 8 revs (he shoots 250/240), I go 220 and 20_? ) Tried the Unleashed inside more and I didn't miss the pocket leaving 10's, hit the dry, solid 9's and stone 7's...4-9, you name it.

Move pairs (bowl 2 more), went thru the bag on game 3 where breakdown comes in bad and I shoot a whopping 140ish...what the heck is going on?...I used to be somebody...LOL  Last game, (bowling against a cranker w/speed), I decide to chase his line, only problem....I'm about 6-8 boards deeper then him cause of my speed, 45 swinging to 5-6 at 52 feet and about 51-52 on the other lane over the gutter to about 8-9. I put together a turkey like this...it's nuts man, I can't do this...even when I was young and hooked the ball, I never hooked the ball like this (nobody did, urethane didn't move like this).  I think I'm going to try the Robo and/or GP2 in the oil this next Tues.  If I don't hit some kind of dry, it's a ring 10 and if I hit dry, I stone something....wonderful.  

In talking with MSC last nite, we have the same shot and somewhat of the same problem as well.  I'll keep you posted bud...
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Re: Controlling dry midlane
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2006, 09:15:36 PM »
DW,

I am kind of having the same type of problem that you and Rick are facing. The one house where I am bowling league this summer the mids go quick...but the place is O/U generally to start. LENGTH is definately needed. I think a Blast with the pin 6-6 1/2 inches from PAP might be the answer. I am going to try to drill one up this week and will try to get back to you on it. The Darkside drilled that way would have worked perfectly....I had one drilled 6 1/4 from PAP and it went forever when the heads and mids started to go.

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Re: Controlling dry midlane
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2006, 09:23:01 PM »
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First 2 games get slammed by a guy who has 8 revs (he shoots 250/240), I go 220 and 20_? ) Tried the Unleashed inside more and I didn't miss the pocket leaving 10's, hit the dry, solid 9's and stone 7's...4-9, you name it.


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Re: Controlling dry midlane
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2006, 10:46:22 PM »
Rick,
Keep me posted. I'm interested in what you find. I have a little more ball speed than you and a little more hand than you which makes the transition even worse.

Ex,
The Darkside works great as long as I keep the wax fresh on the cover. I was also thinking of trying the Heat Blast with a 5" pin to pap. Really want to know if the Equation will go a little longer than the Blast before I commit to one over the other.

Thanks guys for the responses. I've been having this problem for about a year now. I've worked on increasing my speed in these situations which has helped but it's not the best solution.

As always together we will beat this.

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Re: Controlling dry midlane
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2006, 11:10:47 PM »
Today I bowled on a shot that I think could be kind of what you are experiencing. Inside the lanes were so burnt that pearl urethane was rolling out and taking off the 7 pin. I struggled the first couple of games and then I found that all the oil was way outside. I ended up throwing my purple rhino pro standing around 11 and hitting anywhere from 4 out. As long as I didn't throw it too fast I hit the pocket and carry was good. I also had to be sure to get around the side of the ball a bit more to get it to break hard enough. Someone with more speed or less revs could have easily played straight up the 3 board.

Basically, I'm just trying to say that If you haven't already tried playing every part of the lane with several different balls then thats what you need to be doing.
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Re: Controlling dry midlane
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2006, 05:16:59 PM »
AHHHH Haaaa...Glad to hear it...Glad to hear it!

Same condition I've struggled on for two years.

Had my son there yesterday and he couldn't believe it...and he can flame it!
He said this is the worst place I've ever bowled!

As stated above...guys with 6 or 8 revs and up the back and speed can kill it!

Any side roll and lack of speed...one must play deep can't carry and the speed bleeds off SSOOOOOOO fast.

Loft and lots of it works.

Pattern is 16 feet of oil...30 feet of bony and then carrydown...yuck!

Speed, loft, spinners or no revvers love it!  Rubber sometimes works!

I use highly waxed Particle solids...like Icon2.... A friend does great with a every day waxed WMB only about 10 minutes a day.

Usually all pearls are way too jumpy...but recently I put a post on flip richard on a Hot Rod original pearl  Pin 3 3/8 up way high and cg back towards grip center...skipped the midlane and then flipped smooth and hard thru the carrydown at back.

I've gone to a 40 regular oiled league and skying up in average fast and hard.


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Re: Controlling dry midlane
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2006, 05:47:45 PM »
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AHHHH Haaaa...Glad to hear it...Glad to hear it!

Same condition I've struggled on for two years.


That's just plain mean LL......haha

It's like I forgot how to bowl...or just forgot how to score and eveyone else (house guys) are just bing banging along whacking me left and right....lol
Now I get looks like, "THAT guy owns a shop?!"....LOL
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DW, gonna try another 2-3 balls tomorrow, I'll keep you posted bud....
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Re: Controlling dry midlane
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2006, 11:32:04 AM »
If you bowl well on oil...and speed is not your thing...this condition is death!

My son went with me the other day to this center and shot about 3 balls...and he is fast...he said..."Why would anyone bowl here?"  My reply "masochism!".

Oh one little other thing.

We do have guys occassionally use the dry heat and do ok.

The other answer for me is storm's great Hot Rod Super Sport Pearl(not really pearly acting) with WAX...pin over ring and stacked and waxed( seems to skip the mids pretty good and has a ton of continuation and backend regardless of carrydown of fresh)  great coverstock.

I've almost done well with ball and drill.

I'm thinking of moving pin evev weaker on another!


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Re: Controlling dry midlane
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2006, 11:48:29 AM »
I like LL's idea of the highly polished/waxed particle solid, Rick, can you get your hands on a HexPlosion?  Pin out near axis, maybe a nice 1x1 layout, or, if you can find a LONG pin, do about a 1x5, HIGHLY polished, that MAY be something that you could try...it MIGHT work on a Blue Heat, but I would think that might be a touch strong, I would think the HexPlosion would do the trick quite nicely
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Re: Controlling dry midlane
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2006, 01:56:30 PM »
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I like LL's idea of the highly polished/waxed particle solid, Rick, can you get your hands on a HexPlosion? Pin out near axis, maybe a nice 1x1 layout,


haha...that sounds like the advice I gave you in the past...  But you're right, that may work.  My old one was a 15, kind of hard finding a 14...thanks

Dug up my old Money yesterday at the shop and I'm going to try my Delta 1 on this as well.  Money against the oil line and Delta 1 to play like a cranker (without cranker skills...lol) stand left, throw right....let's see what happens.

The dry starts for me in the heads because of my slower speed so that pushes me left.  Pushing me left means I have to get it back right or carry is VERY difficult. As LL says....masochism....pure masochism....

I really hate getting booted off in the middle of a response, BR says they don't know what the problem is...
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Re: Controlling dry midlane
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2006, 11:41:54 AM »
HA!  I FINALLY found the right ball!  RULE DELTA 1........

As I told you guys, I brought my Delta 1 to try on this over/under condition.  I went 276, 190 move pairs 258 and 227...951.  My highest set there by far...

Here's what the ball gave me and I can wait to try the Mean Machine on this cause I think it'll offer me a similar reaction.  The Delta 1 helped me push pass the dry midlane broke back at the later breakpoint that I needed AND carried.

After 2 games, this shot gets burned from the heads down at about 14 out, anything will tend to react too quick and lean against the line for ring 10's...consistently.  This time against the line and stroking more vs lift, the Delta 1 was able to still push downlane but carried on the oil.  I didn't think about it but it made a lot of sense after watching it react.  In my vids (still in my profile), you can see this ball split the 8-9 on normal shots so it gave me the stronger finish I needed compared to my normal equipment to carry out the corners.  

Last week I went 750 on this same shot and come back 200 over that because of the right ball.....simply amazing.  This is where the game's at today guys, picking the right ball for the condition has become so crucial in "scoring".  So don't kill yourself over not scoring on a particular condition, you may simply not have the right ball.
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Re: Controlling dry midlane
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2006, 12:26:42 PM »
I was watching this post because I too have been suffering from the same thing. Midlanes seem to go after about 1 1/2 games. Moving WAY left ( like, onto the approach on the adjacent lane, and NO, I am not kidding ) and swinging the ball 40 boards was all that seems to be left for me after that.

 I too have tried almost every ball I have, including my old urethanes and plastics, but they have not been the answer. I get the length I am after, but little on the backends due to the carrydown and leave 10's all night long.

 I am SO tired of bowling. It used to be a relatively simple game where the playing field was pretty level. It still can be, IF you have the right ball at the right time, but it has gotten to the point where the options are almost endless and I don't have the money or the means to have 50 different balls with 50 different drills on them, hoping that I happen to have the "right" ball at the "right" time.

  Has anybody come up with a combination of ball and drill pattern that is versatile enough to be used on a very wide set of conditions?  One that will hook a little in the oil, but still clear a burned out spot without reading it and rolling out?

 This isn't a wish to go back to the old days, but things WERE much simpler then.  You had a limited set of options and everybody had to operate withing those. If the conditions got tough, they were EQUALLY tough for everyone, there was no "right" ball for some of those conditions, you just had to be able to outperform the competition, not out guess them and hope you got lucky.

  If, by some miracle, someone has had any success finding something that seems to work on virtually all conditions, at least relatively well, please let me know. I am so disgusted that, after 24 years at this sport, I am ready to quit.

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Re: Controlling dry midlane
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2006, 12:44:32 PM »
Rick i have the same porblem and wat i did was made my fired up a marble and just launched straight up 2nd arrow. B4 that i hadda use my spare ball ryte up the gutter which left tens. I dont know ur specs but i think u shuld try taking a medium oil ball and polished the effin crap out of it.
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Re: Controlling dry midlane
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2006, 09:55:39 PM »
juggernaut,

I understand your frustrations. Everyone is still left with limited set of options. Read back through tenpinpro's last response and he said he had to stroke more v. lift. Not only was there a ball change involved but he also had to change release a bit.

If you are limited on equipment....try simple release changes or hand position changes.

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Re: Controlling dry midlane
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2006, 02:24:35 AM »
The weaker release does work. If the scoring is low you should be able to hit the pocket and pick up spares to stay in the hunt for cash on this horrible condition. For me this is not an option on this condition. The straighter bowlers with less revolutions are in their element on this condition so their carry is better.

I'm going to try my Arsenal Reactive with a little Magic Shine on it to see if it hits a little harder than the other equipment when I go to the weaker release.

Thanks,
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