Author Topic: Creatures of habit.... (Read 3595 times)

tenpinspro · « **on:** October 31, 2008, 07:24:51 AM »

Yes we are. Never seems to fail how once we put a ball in our hands and step up on the approach, muscle memory takes over. We'll go and throw the ball the way we normally do without truly paying attention to how the lane should be played.

What I mean is that sometimes we can swing the ball to begin with on a particular shot (and we're doing okay), carrydown presents itself and we continue to swing the ball and wonder why we're no longer carrying.

I've always tried to teach my students to pay very close attention to ball reaction so they can make the necessary adjustments faster and accordingly. If the ball starts going high, then get in, if the ball is not getting up to the pocket or starts deflecting and leaves corners, square or tighten up some to help create a better entry angle. Nobody is telling us where to stand or how to throw the ball, we get to make that decision.

Simple question, if what you're doing is not producing the desired result, why would you want to go up next time and do it again..and again? Pay attention to ball reaction guys and move accordingly. This will help us improve our scores, good luck and good bowling.

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Xcessive_Evil · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2008, 04:05:01 PM »

That's one of the key things I've been paying attention to. this is also the best reason why I'm off to my best start thus far. It all begins with that 10 minutes of practice. Whichever arsenal I have that day, I take my mid-strength rating ball and stand at 20. I take a couple of B.S. shots to get use to the motion before I take my serious practice shots. In most cases, I'm usually ready to go with still a few minutes left.

As the night goes on, I keep in mind not so much the shot I have to make next, but the shot I made before-especially if it went well. If I know I did everything right, but it comes in light(depending on how light) I move right. If I have to move in any direction more than 2 1/2 boards, I go to the next strongest, or weakest ball, and stay in that same spot and it works for me.
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louf846 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 31, 2008, 08:31:07 PM »

I think some people (myself included when I don't feel like I am bowling well) have issues differentiating between transition and poor shot making.
When I feel sharp, the moves are automatic, done mentally with foul line adjustments and moves with my feet, and usually done before I get that warning shot that leaves a 4 pin and the carry down 7-10.
I think a lot of people also adjust off of what they perceive to be a good shot and it was not. I see it ALL the time in league. Someone will say, man this pair is carrying down fast when they 2-8-10 because they missed it and threw it hard and here I am moving 2-1 left every third frame.
I agree about people needing to pay attention though.
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SteveAustin2808 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 01, 2008, 11:12:25 AM »

I feel as half of my problem is that I throw it without putting any finger in the ball. Prime example, Thursday night I had 3 or 4 in a row, something like that got up there, lined up the same and I felt as if I hit my target and the ball did nothing! Of course, I didn't feel like I came out of it right thus the lack of finger. As time went on if I got it outside of 10, there was an OOB and it went dead straight! So far this season...started off HOT now I'm dwindling off...anyways, just my thoughts...thanks for the advice Rick..planning on going to B'Ham in the morning for a tournament...God Bless You All!

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bulldogg · « **Reply #4 on:** November 01, 2008, 03:14:33 PM »

For me its as Lou stated.
I'm so...or maybe more true to say..I feel I'm very inconsistent. And I wait to long to make a change of position or ball.

MC · « **Reply #5 on:** November 01, 2008, 11:05:01 PM »

Up until this year, I have not trusted myself. Was never sure that I threw the correct shot and that it was user error. Knock on wood, (knock, knock) this year I have been fairly consistent and trust my shot or can tell when I miss it.

My opinion, Rick, is that when someone is going up there and keeps throwing the same shot and getting the same poor results it is either 1) they don't know how to adjust or b) don't trust that it was not their fault.

Keep on posting! It is great to see you back on here more.
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Gunny · « **Reply #6 on:** November 02, 2008, 05:17:00 AM »

great advice Rick! good to see you back posting again. i always tell myself the things you stated, but in the heat of the moment most times i make the move too late because i want a certain shot to work. i think most times its our stubborness to move that hurts our potential.

tenpinspro · « **Reply #7 on:** November 06, 2008, 08:10:34 PM »

I wanted to bring this topic to discussion because I see too many bowlers continue to throw shots continually thru the nose or too lite, whichever the case may be.

It's funny how I listen to a golfer when he misses a putt and says "let me have that put again and I'll make it". Well, in bowling we have nine more frames to adjust to create or produce the desired result yet many bowlers don't.

I'm sure it's a choice of either bad shot making and/or lack of knowledge but a "ball can only do what the lane allows it to do". Even 500+ revs don't just open up backends or allows that bowler to freewheel. If this were not true, then every cranker should be dominating every shot (which they don't).

Our ball basically only does one of two things, either it slides when enough oil is present (to the particular ball we're using) or it will check and get into a roll when enough friction is present (relative again to the ball we're using). With this in mind, we (as bowlers) have to find how we can "feed" our ball to the right breakpoint to get it back into the pocket.

Just trying to help open some minds in respect to the "I play second arrow" syndrome. That is the equivalent of walking out on a putting green and saying you're going to putt it right here every time and "make" it go into the cup...
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dewatkins · « **Reply #8 on:** November 07, 2008, 02:03:09 PM »

I know my problem is I am too slow to adjust because I don't trust myself. It takes me several frames before I move when I am coming high (my usual problem) because I do not know if the change in me or in the lane, I have to throw what I think is a good ball a couple of times and watch it not make the move I want before I will adjust then I will just move a couple of boards. That is why I don't make changes fast enough.

jodyk24 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 07, 2008, 02:08:56 PM »

Rick...

Glad to see you back on the Reviews with some good discussions about bowling.
I Want people on the Track Reviews to know that this is still the best board going. Rick and others have helped with drilling layouts for the young and old.
I am really impressed with the young people on this board. They have a broad knowledge about the game of bowling I respect their answers to question's as much as anybody. A lot of bowlers come on the Track reviews to get good answers about their bowling because they know they will get some good help even though they do not roll Track. Rick my man you had a lot to do with the good things that I am talking about,again welcome back.

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Mark T. Trgovac · « **Reply #10 on:** November 07, 2008, 02:30:57 PM »

I think sometimes the reasons we don't move are one of two things. Fear, or the fact that we get so mad that the shot didn't work we try to make it work.

The first reason is fear. The fear of the unknown. If we move how do we really know that that line will yield something better. How do we know it wont leave us something really ugly to pick up. Or if the line we move to pushes us out closer to the gutter the guys who know they tend to swing the ball some get worried they will drop it in the grey boards.

The other way is to think of the movie Tin Cup. At the end when he hits the ball and drops it in the water. He got to upset that he didn't get the result he wanted that he kept trying and trying. Sometimes I see alot of us do this. We just stick to the line because we are so mad that the result didn't match how well we thought we executed, that we keep trying to reach that result.
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #11 on:** November 07, 2008, 03:44:14 PM »

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I think sometimes the reasons we don't move are one of two things. Fear, or the fact that we get so mad that the shot didn't work we try to make it work.

BINGO! Very good conclusion Scoot. As adults, many of us have learned thru life that taking chances can create very undesirable results.

I see myself do this everytime I play a video game with my grandkids as I always try to stay alive and duck the objects that come toward me whereas my grandkids take all these risks, jump into nowhere land and end up finding shortcuts to higher levels. It's funny how the mind works...

I also agree that being stubborn can attribute to our failure. Being open minded and understanding that if we can throw a strike from 2nd arrow in the first frame of the first game, how or why can we expect the exact same reaction in the last frame of the 3rd game (if we threw the ball relatively with the same speed, revs, tilt, rotation..etc)? In order for reactions to be the same, the lane condition would literally have to be the same....that is virtually impossible these days as we have thicker oils which breakdown or carrydown continuously. This "may" have held true(r) back in the 30's to 60's when lane oils were nowhere near as thick or heavy so therefore the lanes didn't transition as much (if any).

One old line sums this up for me...Trust is a must or your game is a bust!

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NJStroker · « **Reply #12 on:** November 07, 2008, 08:25:14 PM »

hey rick, that quote "trust is a must or your game is a bust" is so true for me on the house shot here. its drier, and i just dont think it'll come back from inside, so i never move in. now outside of 5 is cake, but inside is hard for me. i guess i just gotta trust that trusty equation that it will come back from there.
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dewatkins · « **Reply #13 on:** November 10, 2008, 10:54:25 AM »

Well I am trying to make adjustments faster. I am constantly making small adjustments - one board or moving up or back 10" but I have a hard time making big adjustments I guess part of it is fear not fear of what I will leave as much a fear of not knowing where or how to make the big adjustment. Last nigh I did make a big adjustment in the 3rd game. Using my go to ball Arsenal Aggressive down the 10 board and in first game 231 with good carry, second game 190 without good carry only one open in fist two games. Third game I was really searching for a line after 3 opens I decided to change to the Equation 2 which breaks more so I moved left another 2 boards and went out to the 7 board and let it come back for a 188 not great but I had 89 in the 7th when I changed and managed 5 out of 6 strikes it times like this that helps reduce the fear.
So you are correct it is a lot of fear or more precisely lack of knowledge and this from someone who has been bowling 35+ years and a YABA coach. I am over 60 and I can not throw the ball like I used to, I never could do the down and in shot until this year I am forcing myself to keep my hand flat because my fingers and elbow were hurting too much last year.
Another the lanes are so much different on the two leagues that I bowl on I usually have so much trouble on Sunday night my averages in the same house with the same balls are 173 on Sunday and 194 on Wednesday both mixed leagues and I can not figure out why other than the lanes are much tougher on Sunday, I accused the house of running the PBA experience for both Sunday (ours and the PBA league at the same time) leagues and just not telling us.

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Xcessive_Evil · « **Reply #14 on:** November 10, 2008, 12:26:18 PM »

No problem Rick. I think I can safely say I speak for everyone when I say it's good to have you back.

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