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Rock77

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Answer me this...
« on: January 13, 2005, 12:59:57 PM »
Ok, I recently had my PAP measured and I am 6 1/4" over. I have medium revs (335-350) and med speed (15-17).

I have a problem with ALL of my equipment starting up too early. I want a ball or balls that I can play down and in on any type of shot whether it be oil or dry. I have come to the conclusion that I need to do one of two things:

1. Drill my equipment real weak for length and control
2. Find weaker coverstocks so the balls dont grab as early.

Now my question is, what do you guys suggest on my two options I listed and if you have any other input, please feel free. I am desperate for options.

thanks in advance.


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Re: Answer me this...
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2005, 09:05:47 PM »
Rock,

More often than not, with a PAP like yours this means the bowler tracks fairly high and gets the ball started in the midlanes on their own. Your revs and speed make this even more rough because with the type of release you have the balls are starting up early and GOING.

The weak drillings may help, as will weaker coverstocks. What would be more beneficial to you (still have that coach?) would be to work on a release that allows you to get around the ball more thus helping create length. If you can do this it will help to raise your tilt which will also help to get the ball down the lane.

I am very experienced in this because a year ago that is how I was throwing ball. I had virtually no tilt and everything was starting up quick. I worked on it for a long time and being able to come around the ball better, raise my tilt and control my speed better my game has become very versatile.

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clintdaley

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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2005, 09:14:12 PM »
My PAP is now 6 inches over and 1/4 up. I track very high and everything starts early as I am an "up the backer". I try to play as straight up the boards as possible, and the following drilling lets me do this with EVERY Track ball I have (more than 20 right now). I drill almost everything with the pin under the ring, cg in the palm, and the mass bias ends left or under the thumb usually. This drilling gets me through the mids with plenty on the backend for me.

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bts69

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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2005, 12:48:20 AM »
Rock,

Not trying to be a smart alleck or jerk, but why must you always play down and in?  I used to think that way too, but my coach, who works for Track, gave me some great advice. You have to play what the lanes give you.  Sometimes I play down and in and somtimes I have to swing it.  If you are really set in playing the down and in shot, then, if it were me, I would go with a weaker drilling and play with around with your wrist positions during your release.  Again, it just my opinion.  I wish you luck in whatever you decide.
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Rock77

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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2005, 06:25:50 AM »
bts69, I never said that I need to play down and in. Its just that down and in is my A game and I have a hard time playing that line now since my coach assisted me in getting a stronger release. However, with the stronger release came the high track and forward roll.

I have been working on coming around the ball more, but my accuracy is horrible when trying that. Plus I have a hard time actually coming around the ball. That is why I asked the initial question about weaker coverstocks or weaker drillings. I need to do something until I am able to modify my release and be comfortable and accurate as well.
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2005, 06:34:22 AM »
Hey Rock,

Wow, that's quite a change from when you started on here.  If I remember correctly, you were under 4 before your coach.  If you hold this type of roll, your options are limited based on what Ex stated.  The high "roll" just naturally gets you started too soon to get downlane.  In order to do what you want, you have the correct thinking but it is limiting you to some degree.

Since your pap was lower before, I'd also recommend working on a little less firmness with the wrist at the point of release which is probably aiding in your higher track and work on either getting around the ball a little more or increasing your tilt some to help you get downlane easier.  This will also open up your drill options and ball selections.  Just take a look at my vids again to see where my hand is physically at the point of release which creates a (disgusting) amount of tilt...  However, this release "is" what allows me to throw the high tech equipment on most shots.  Hope this helps bud...
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2005, 06:41:57 AM »
The most simplest answer you can give a person that wants to play down and in when everything is moving too much is to invest in a urethane or get a pin under the fingers type drill. Which I can say doesnt work that well for me because it wont do a whole lot of moving on the backend because its starting up early.

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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2005, 11:05:03 AM »
Rock now that you have basically the same PAP as me I agree with your thoughts. I also look alot at differentials and also core height in helping make a decision when buying a ball. Our type release is like having a low-RG built in. I have had some good luck as of this year with higher RG balls for league but not as much on tournament or sport patterns. (to over/under) Playing around with some finger and thumb pitches can assist your capability in coming more around the ball. For me going to more forward in the thumb and a bit of lateral has been the biggest help. I usually end up at least one or two grit levels higher than most everyone else to get the correct breakpoint.
Clint with such a high track how do you get no pinging of thumb or fingers do you put your weight hole in thumb positive quadrant. I have always heard Mo Pinel always state for a high tracker that an Assymet. core helps as it retains axis rotation longer (PSA) basically like a longer core or higher RG ball would.

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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2005, 11:16:18 AM »
NO balance hole required in my favorite drilling, pin under ring, cg in palm, mass bias left/under thumb. Thus another reason I really like this drilling, as I dislike reshaping the core unnecessarily. I am VERY close to the fingers and thumb, thus the reason I tuck the pin under the ring. If I went ANY lower, I would ping the fingers and/or thumb.

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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2005, 09:33:00 PM »
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bts69, I never said that I need to play down and in. Its just that down and in is my A game and I have a hard time playing that line now since my coach assisted me in getting a stronger release. However, with the stronger release came the high track and forward roll.

I have been working on coming around the ball more, but my accuracy is horrible when trying that. Plus I have a hard time actually coming around the ball. That is why I asked the initial question about weaker coverstocks or weaker drillings. I need to do something until I am able to modify my release and be comfortable and accurate as well.
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Ooops! My bad! I misunderstood you....sorry about that.  Now I understand.  I still like the weaker ball.  Good Luck!

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