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erh300

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Drilling question for newguy or anyone that knows
« on: November 16, 2006, 03:48:20 AM »
On the PBA tour, especially on the Cheetah pattern, why aren't short pin to pap drillings (such as 2" or pin axis) used more often? The pictures or descriptions I've seen of equipment mostly have 5-6" pin distances. Is it because of too much early read and not enough down lane reaction? Just wondering.

 

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Re: Drilling question for newguy or anyone that knows
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2006, 11:59:48 AM »
I am not Newguy...BUT...

I believe at one time Steve Jaros...used a lot of these.

For me...I use these when there is good oil volume which I do not hear is always present on the PT.

I also find if the backends are jumpy with that heavy early and midlane oil volume it is not a bad drilling!

Just finishing up an old ball that seems to really like a local wood center with good oil volume...lots of midlane oil and strong overreacting backends.

While on a local center with dry sides and midlanes and it is the dog of all time drillings!

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Re: Drilling question for newguy or anyone that knows
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2006, 12:00:04 PM »
I'm going to guess that it has to do with the amount of backend reaction they typically have available on the tour.  The backends are well-cleaned with each oiling, and on shorter patterns like Cheetah, something that has a short pin-to-PAP distance will roll too early.  5"+ pins can avoid overreacting on the dry backends.

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Re: Drilling question for newguy or anyone that knows
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2006, 01:51:24 PM »
Some bowlers use them but most cores are too strong to drill that way on tour patterns. Weak cores roll good like that but you will not see the low end stuff on the show much.
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Re: Drilling question for newguy or anyone that knows
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2006, 02:03:03 PM »
Touring pros, like PDW, get so many revs on the ball without trying, that is why they have to have those type drillings.  Plus as you noticed last Sunday, they are using the most aggressive core and coverstock combinations, that they need the weak pin placements to get the ball down the lane before picking up.  If you don't believe me, go to any shop that has the new Secret Agent and feel that cover, that is what PDW was using.  For a 2000 grit abralon surface, that is the most tacky I've ever felt a ball straight from the factory.  We are a VIP Storm shop and we got the Secret Agent and new T-Road Monday.  Even the shell on a Domination doesn't come close the tackiness of those new shells.  The touring pros can overcome the slick conditions by using ScotchBrite pads and more revs, so that is why they use weak drills on strong balls.  Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

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Re: Drilling question for newguy or anyone that knows
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2006, 07:12:22 PM »
I use a 2 inch pin from pap when I have an over and under pattern but it only works when I can stand on top of the shot and do not have to move in. It works well until carry down. I like a basic over the label drilling for the gutter patterns because it allows me to go up the shot and not pitch to it.I like to take one direction out of play so for example if I want to play a little tug I can stand right next to the dry and basically look in a borad or two from the shot and with the right surface I can still strike on small misses in either direction. If trhe surface is right when I miss to the swing side it should roll up and quit thus not going high very often.

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Re: Drilling question for newguy or anyone that knows
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2006, 10:14:37 PM »
On that type of pattern I like to play a straighter line up the outside boards with more of an end over end release. It keeps the ball from jumping off of dry too hard. Until the lanes get a bit of play trying to swing the inside line can be alot of work because the ball just won't feed right(for right handers) as easily.

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