Author Topic: Ramtart's post on Particles... (Read 1158 times)

DukeHarding · « **on:** October 28, 2005, 08:51:58 AM »

After reading Ram's post on Particles...
Got me thinking. I've been using one of my Animals on dry lanes.
It's the only ball I have that will get through the heads, when the lanes are pretty fried. The pin is about 3" about midline, Pin to PAP: 5" MB to PAP: 4".

The ball does not work at all for me when there's oil...So I haven't been packing it with me. After reading Ram's post...it got me to thinking, which is normally a bad thing...but not this time.

I've been carrying it with, and have used it on scorched lanes, playing with the boards, a little loft, and it works great.

Makes it worth reading the posts in this Forum.

Thanks Bud.
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Ramtart · « **Reply #1 on:** October 28, 2005, 05:07:23 PM »

Wow, Rich, thanks for the compliment.
I used to wonder why my GP2 would be sooo smooth on the dry backends while my Slash would react stronger.

It wasn't until I was taught about how particles work.
I would guess that, even on an Asymmetrical Particle with the MB in the Strong position, I would still have that ball less angular than a Reactive Symmetrical ball with the MB in the strong position.

Due to the particle coverstock (constantly grabbing the lane making it's travel down the lane more even than a reactive)

For example
Reactive resin = retain energy and snap
Vs.
Particle Coverstock = constantly grabbing lane and less violent move on the dry in the backends

The coverstock I'm guessing would be the critical factor.
Afterall, we're talking about the surface of the ball touching the surface of the lane.

I usually don't think too much either, and now I don't hesitate to pick up a particle ball when the backends start to get nasty =)

Rick Leong gave me this analogy
Particle Coverstock = Snow Tire grabbing in the snow and then grabs gradually when making contact with the ground.
Reactive Coverstock = All season tire spinning in the snow and then picking up major traction when it comes in contact with the ground.

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DukeHarding · « **Reply #2 on:** October 28, 2005, 05:22:07 PM »

quote:
Wow, Rich, thanks for the compliment.
I used to wonder why my GP2 would be sooo smooth on the dry backends while my Slash would react stronger.

It wasn't until I was taught about how particles work.
I would guess that, even on an Asymmetrical Particle with the MB in the Strong position, I would still have that ball less angular than a Reactive Symmetrical ball with the MB in the strong position. Due to the particle coverstock (constantly grabbing the lane making it's travel down the lane more even than a reactive *i.e., reactive resin = retain energy and snap*)

The coverstock I'm guessing would be the critical factor.
Afterall, we're talking about the surface of the ball touching the surface of the lane.

I usually don't think too much either, and now I don't hesitate to pick up a particle ball when the backends start to get nasty =)

I tend to be to logical when it comes to life, and bowling.
I kind of departmentalize my equipment, i.e., Particle = OIL, etc.

A little story: A few years ag I was bowling a sweeper where the left side was shut out pretty much...The guy who won it was a lefty...He was throwing almost all heavy brooklyn shots. I was bowling next to him, and kept pounding the pocket and leaving back row pins. I bowled with my ball driller the next day in league, and I mentioned that I couldn't carry. He looked at me and said, wasn't the winner a lefty I said, yeah, but he was brooklyn almost every ball. He looked at me and said: "Isn't the object to knock down ten pins?"

That has stuck in my mind....I guess thinking out of the box is good, sometimes.
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Ramtart · « **Reply #3 on:** October 28, 2005, 05:24:22 PM »

I agree, I usually don't like to over analyze, but now that I understand that a Particle ball meant for "oil" can smoothen out some crazy backends...it opened my mind!

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chitown · « **Reply #4 on:** October 28, 2005, 05:43:15 PM »

There's no doubt that particals like the animal can be used on dry lanes. If you have the right ball speed and play the lane right that's all that counts. I'm seeing a lot of bowlers using strong equipment and drilling it with long pin to pap's for dry lanes. If the ball will still hit and carry why not?

kingpin268 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 28, 2005, 06:02:11 PM »

Not particle, but reaction of particle with the Ultimate Inferno. On toasty conditions where everyball I own grabs at the arrows I go to the Ultimate Inferno and play with a lot of forward roll up 5. The ball burns up hugely and hooks minimally but just enough to creep into the pocket and if flush, will strike and hit as hard as anything. If light, you probably looking at a ten pin. But instead of going to a Trooper or something and playing a extremely deep line, I play up the boards with the a stronger ball.
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #6 on:** October 29, 2005, 12:56:51 PM »

Hey Duke,

Good catch...I actually learned this back in 79-80 when I had my yellow dot polished and ended up scuffing it one day just to see the reaction. It was since then that I started to truly understand the points of stored energy (skid/snap) vs expending the energy throughout the lane (even roll). Thanks for sharing....
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