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agroves

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Drilling suggestions?
« on: November 26, 2006, 09:36:04 AM »
Finally got myself the Track Arsenal Reactive.  I'd like to have something I could circle the pattern with.  We have a fairly oily league condition.  We bowled 10 games today and I was still using my EPIC battle and wasn't inside of 20.  So, give me some ideas.  I'm open to anything, most of my stuff is drilled 4" pin to pap and I have trouble getting some of the stuff to square up enough to carry on carrydown.  

Super Carbide Bomb--cg axis(3" pin to pap)--800 grit(tourney ball only)
Epic Battle--4" pin to pap-55* layout--800 grit
Blueberry Saw--pin on center of grip(4.5"), cg on midline--800 grit
Vapor Zone--4" pin to pap, psa at 45*--2000 grit
Rampage--oob(400grit plus polish)
Crimson Phantom/OU vizaball

I'm thinking like a 3" pin to pap?

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Re: Drilling suggestions?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2006, 05:38:06 PM »
Stacked leverage? Pin to the right of ring?
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Re: Drilling suggestions?
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2006, 06:34:09 AM »
Hey Andrew, (How are you doing buddy?)

I'd suggest a 3.5 x 3.25-3.5cg to pap (how long is the pin?).  The Arsenal Reactive should fall between your Battle and Blueberry in reaction.  It's pretty strong and very continuous.  I like the shorter pin to help the ball get started a bit sooner to read the midlane as you state that you are having problems with carrydown.  

The key these days is getting a ball to read the mids so we can ensure backend reaction vs many who think that we just need more "backend" reaction.  If we get a ball to read the mids, it will finish on the backend normally.  Hope this helps bud...
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Re: Drilling suggestions?
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2006, 02:55:24 PM »
Thanks Rick.  I have a Sapphire Zone drilled 3 x 3, good ball but the cover isn't strong enough for todays oils.  I decided to keep it polished and use it for later blocks when I can float it to the pocket.

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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2006, 05:23:23 PM »
Remember your Arsenal Reactive is shined up with Magic Shine. The surface is not the out of box, so you might not be getting the reaction your looking for.

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Re: Drilling suggestions?
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2006, 06:22:01 PM »
Well, I haven't even got it plugged yet.  I'm gonna cut the polish off.  I'll probably go 800 grit to see what happens and then adjust from there.

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Re: Drilling suggestions?
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2006, 06:53:16 AM »
Thanks shipper for the info.  I was basing my reaction fit based on the ball out of box Andrew, 800 (or grey pad) sounds good.
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Re: Drilling suggestions?
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2006, 07:46:50 AM »
Have you thought about a rev leverage layout? You hardly ever see these layouts anymore but they still work on carry down. Pin 3-31/2 from pap 1" above midline and cg in the thumb quadrant similated mass bias on your val. Depending on your top weight and pin out distance location of the cg may vary but needs to have thumb and side weight for the x-hole being used to have the greatest effect.
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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2006, 03:21:22 PM »
TECH SUPPORT,

thanks for sharing that link.  Is there some way you or anyone else could describe what lane condition each of those layouts is best used for, and what type of bowler (hi-speed, low-speed, hi-rev, low-rev) would benefit the most from each particular layout?  Seems like it would be helpful.  

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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2006, 08:10:56 AM »
Higher rev rate or slower ball speeds tend to favor the higher rg layouts while the softer handed people and faster ball speeds tend to like the early rolling lay outs.  The tweeners/strokers seem to benefit from the low rg layouts on medium to heavy oil patterns and the higher rev guys go with more length lay outs on the same position. I know it doesnt exactly help with what your asking but I dont feel like going into complete detail over something that has been said numerous times. ill post more later when I have more time I guess.
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2006, 11:23:50 AM »
Hey duvallite,

I think I understand what you're asking and I understand what TECH SUPPORT is saying as well in response because the combinations of speed and revs for a bowler can be endless.  There is also a lot more info that would need to be added to the mix to make true recommendations of which layout does what for which bowler(axis rotation, tilt, lane surface, oil density, length of oil...etc)  

Unfortunately it isn't as easy as that to pick a layout and just say it works for a cranker with high speed.  It'll depend on the ball and core design to begin with, and then proceed with his/her personal info as I stated above.  

We can however give you a generic response as to what each layout will respond like and then the individual can apply that info to his/her personal game to some degree.  We have to be careful here also because high trackers vs low trackers can be limited to certain layouts and so on.  Sorry bud, the variables are too great.

Rev Lev is typically pretty smooth and allows a bowler to square up more because the ball doesn't over react on the backend.  It's similar in reaction but a stronger version of what Lane Bed posted as the "Leong-Hall" drilling.
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