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Iketown300

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hey Track playas, I am thinking about goin all Track for when I do every tournament on the PBA Tour and decide I will give them a try now.  Here are some blanks I got sitting here that I am looking to drill up for all the PBA patterns and to set up my arsenal with and looking to see what you guys think about it.

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PAP: 5 x 3/4 up
Medium rev rate
Medium speed
Axis Tilt- 17 degrees


Arsenal Aggressive Particle
Arsenal Angular Particle
Xception 5.0-Pin under ring about 4 3/4 from pap, mb just to right of thumb about 1/2" and the x hole is placed 1" past my pap to give me some kick for some carrydown.
Rule GP2
Heat
Desert Heat
Blue Heat
Slash
Xception

I could get some more equipment so if you guys think i should get multiples to give me some different looks hit me with your opinions.
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Ike Brownfield
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Edited on 7/1/2005 8:49 PM

 

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Ike,

I don't know how many balls you would want to use for your arsenal, but personally I would place them in this order:

Heavy: GP2
Med/Heavy: Arsenal Aggressive
and X 5.0
Medium: Slash
and Xception
Med/light: Heat
light: Desert Heat

The 5.0 and Aggressive will cover similiar conditions, but in far different ways. WHen the oil is longer, the Aggressive is going to do a better job because it will roll up sooner. The 5.0 will clear the heads better than the Aggressive and give you more area right with your line.

You may get a slight bit of overlap with the Heat and Xception. The Xception is going to get more backend reaction and will handle the lanes better than the heat when the oil starts to move. The Heat allows me to play a straighter line on fresh medium-med/light where the Xception allows me to play more of an area.

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Edited on 7/1/2005 11:35 PM
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Hey Ike,

I also feel Ex's choices are great and I'd just like to add one note.  I've only been personally on one PBA pattern in Medford 2 years ago during Calcutta (bowled with Tommy Jones).  It seemed to coincide with what Mitch, Loose and others here say about needing the ball to be more controlled off the dry.  Even in Medford with my Unleashed, I was standing about 40 hitting the breakpoint late at about 46-47ft at the out point of about 7-8.  The backends were pretty dry cause my Unleashed is set up with more of a control layout.

With our pap being identical, I'm assuming our reactions are also similar so typically we can use some surface to offset our tilt but we also need more control when our balls encounter friction or else we're making u-turns on the back.  Let me know if my conclusions are correct or close and I can give you direct feedback from the various layouts I have on each ball, thanks.

Again, big props for hitting the qualifier.  Get'em next year man...
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Hey Ex, doesn't matter how many are in the arsenal.  Whatever I need for to cover everything from pba conditions to regular house/tourney shots from heavy oil to the desert.  You have any ideas for drill patterns for these bad boyz? Here is what i was thinking.

**Not sure yet to do with the x holes but they will all be at least 2 1/2" deep with small bits to get back to 0 side**

GP2- 3 3/8" pin to pap distance, pin even or under the fingers, mb in the strong position 2" right of the thumb.  X hole on my pap.

Aggressive- 4" pin to pap distance, pin under fingers, x hole 1" inside my pap

Xception 5.0-Pin under ring about 4 3/4 from pap, mb just to right of thumb about 1/2" and the x hole is placed 1" past my pap to give me some kick for some carrydown.

Slash- 4 1/2" pin to pap under ring, cg in the palm, control layout, x hole on pap.

Angular Particle- 5" pin to pap, above bridge, cg out 1/2" with x hole inside pap 1"

Xception- 4 3/4" pin to pap under ring, mb on VAL, x hole 1" inside my pap.

Heat- 4 1/2" pin to pap above ring, stacked, x hole either on pap or past pap 1"

Desert Heat- 5" pin to pap above fingers, cg in palm, x hole either on pap or past pap 1"


I would also like to throw a blue heat in there and maybe another aggressive but polish it up.
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Hey Rick, you are close from that assumption.  I usually don't mess with the covers but I have tried it with moderate success in the past.  I would love to hear what you have from your arsenal and try some of those patterns out, sounds great just throw me a pm or just reply here whatever you feel like doing and I posted here of what I thought for some ideas to break the ice so to speak.
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Ike Brownfield
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Ike,

I like the layouts that you mentioned for each piece.

I do agree with Rick and Mitch about the PBA patterns having alot of dry in the backends and you need to tame that down. For this I would suggest either a Blue Heat, an Aggressive or a Slash. Rick has mentioned in the past that he has his Aggressive drilled with the pin 1 1/2 from PAP......I think that layout is perfect to tame down over reacting backends. Lets see what Rick thinks. I think any of the 3 listed balls would be perfect for that layout.

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Iketown300

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Thanks Ex, yea the patterns fly a pretty good amount, that's why i like to use the flare reducing holes and definitely going for control here.  Let's see what Rick thinks too...
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Ike Brownfield
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Hey Ike,

Same thoughts here bud.  All your layouts look good but just one change in the 5.0, instead of keeping mb next to thumb, measure out the distance to about 3.75 to 4.  This ball really has pretty good length and still a lot of pop to it and my layout is 4 7/8x 4 mb pin 1 5/8 above mid (under bridge).

My Aggressive is drilled 1.5x1 and even that has good finish on clean backends.  I thinking that you having a touch more speed then I do will help you reaction not be quite as jumpy as mine but still finish pretty late and strong.  If that's true, then your layouts on the suggested balls look good...
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Hey tag team partner,

What do you think a Slash would do with the 1.5x1 layout that you have on your Arsenal Aggressive?

-EX-
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Sounds like you guys have it covered!

Good luck Ike!

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quote:
Hey tag team partner,

What do you think a Slash would do with the 1.5x1 layout that you have on your Arsenal Aggressive?


Not bad, I did however try that same layout on the Heat and it didn't fit in well for me so I plugged it.  Maybe the stronger cover of the Slash would help get the roll I was looking for.
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Iketown300

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Rick,

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All your layouts look good but just one change in the 5.0, instead of keeping mb next to thumb, measure out the distance to about 3.75 to 4


You mean 3.75-4 right of my thumb or from pap?  Also unfortuantely this was the one i already had drilled but i might drill another soon.  I threw it for the first time tonight and went 223, 268 with the back 9 and then our pair broke down and had to move to the dreaded 1 and 2 where i couldn't carry for 204.  It does get really good length on it and hits real hard.  What would swinging the mb out that much more give me as a different look?  Wouldn't the ball start to check up and read the midlane a little more and have about 2 boards more of overall hook but not make the backend as violent?
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Ike Brownfield
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Ike,

I will let Rick answer your question about his comment...but I believe he was talking about MB from PAP.


The thing about the 5.0 that baffles me is that with its OOB finish it backends really strong. I have the MB on my VAL and this ball clears the heads nicely, gets a good read in the mids (but doesn't roll up too soon) and it still backends as much as any ball I have thrown, maybe more.

So if you were to drill one with the layout Rick suggested, don't expect to lose too much backend. It will cover carrydown better, AND I think will be an awesome complement when you need a touch more than your Xception.

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Iketown300

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Thanks Ex that is what i thought but wanted to make sure.  You think i should keep the same pin to pap distance and keep it under my ring which is about 4 1/2 to 4 3/4, and what about the x hole for the new one cause on the one i have now is 1" past my pap.
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Ike Brownfield
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Ike,

If it were me, I would drill everything as close to identical as possible with my Xception. The 5.0 is just a natural step up. There are several others that you have that will fall above the Xception as well....but the 5.0 is like the Xception on steroids (Or Barry Bonds early 90s*XCEPTION* vs Barry Bonds late 90s*5.0*)...........they go together very well. I like matching the layouts on the 2(I plan to do so for myself actually) because you will hit a condition where the Xception just isn't enough ball, but you need that type of reaction and the 5.0 is perfect there.

-EX-
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