Post by: MTFD24 on July 27, 2004, 09:23:36 PM
Now having bowled with Fran quite often in the past, here is what could observe.
The ball seemed to be clean through the heads, and when it started its move, it was a smooth continuous arc. Could not see, or at least it didn't appear, to be "jumpy" off of any dry areas, just smooth and continuous. It did not "squirt" in the oil either.
It seems that this ball could be quite a good "control" ball on medium-light to medium conditions. have to consider one for myself after seeing it in his hands.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on July 28, 2004, 12:30:44 PM
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Post by: MTFD24 on July 28, 2004, 12:34:58 PM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on July 28, 2004, 01:22:08 PM
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Post by: charlest on July 28, 2004, 02:04:12 PM
I think it would be hard for most of us to relate to how Fran's ball reacts, for 2 reasons: 1, almost all his pin-CG distances are huge, with many pins located 2-3" above the bridge, and 2, few of us put as many revs of the ball that Fran does nor throw as fast as he does (Unless these factors have changed in the last year and a half.).
Still I'm curious as to how his Freak-A-Zoid reacted.
We bowled on the same ABC team in 2003 and a nicer guy nor a better bowler would be VERY hard to find.
(What a dumb, childish name for a ball!)
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Post by: charlest on July 28, 2004, 07:37:37 PM
Thank you; point made, "on the cartoon network".
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Post by: DreadPirateRoberts on July 28, 2004, 11:42:18 PM
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(What a dumb, childish name for a ball!)
please tell me what names are not stupid?
Just about 90% of the ball names are pathetic.
Visionary: Stop playing Dungeouns and dragons!
Storm: ran out of names related to the weather.
Hammer: what the heck does a blade have to do with bowling? it sounds like a shaving or lawn mover device.
colombia: they make so many balls that they don't even have a theme. super trooper? come on!
Lane master: don't even go there!
MORich. plays D&D with the visionary boys.
on and on!!!
why single out the Freak-a-ziod?
don't be a hater. be a player!
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Post by: MTFD24 on July 29, 2004, 01:10:43 AM
Charlest you are correct in Fran being a fantastic person, and quite a bowler. This ball had approximately a 3 1/2 to 4" pin, with the pin just slightly above the fingers. So fairly "normal", despite Fran's propensity for unusual specs.
Now Fran can change his game tremendously, depending on the conditions. But typically, he has just above average speed and revs, with that unique side step after delivery. Oft times many have compared my game with his (minus the side step) and considering we are almost identical in height, weight and age, with similar approach, swing, etc. This makes lining up off each other fun.
So, with all that in mind, this is why my origional observation came to be, since we both have thrown similar equipment, and prefer the same "looks" on the lane.
I would definitly consider this ball to fit into the "control" category for any med-lite to med condition. Clean thru the heads, with a smooth continuous arc from mids thru the backend. Despite a fresh pattern (no carrydown, and squeeky clean backends) it did not "jump" or over react on the back end at all.
I am hoping to be able to go again this coming Tuesday, and I'll try to get a follow up for you and Jeff.
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 30, 2004, 04:41:09 AM
It's exactly as most of us thought, very controlled, drilled it 4x3 pin 1.5 above midline, under ring, 5/8 pos and 1/4 finger, no weighthole. My house shot has become even more O/U than before(I hate it). Enough to where I'm almost playing the same shot with most balls because the inside oil is thick enough to hold "everything" and plastic will hook off the dry. This shot forces me to play about the same area on the approach but hit different breakpoints down the lane if you can hopefully understand what I'm trying to say.
Saying where I stood is not going to help because of the shot but compared to my Untamed, it's about a good 3-4 boards less and about 5-6 boards more than my Darkside. I only had a chance to compare these balls so far but I could watch it arc off the dry boards vs what I saw with the Darkside and even the Untamed moved harder off the dry boards. The only thing that stood out was the amount of oil it could handle, it rolled up pretty quick and I didn't have to play as much dry as I originally thought. It just rolled smoothly down the lane with an arcing finish. So far I like it, will have to test more this weekend if I can and I'll post a mini...
JeffRevs, you were right, the finish looks more like a compound vs what I would call a true polished look. Slightly more than the sheen/matte.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on July 30, 2004, 07:22:45 AM
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Saying where I stood is not going to help because of the shot but compared to my Untamed, it's about a good 3-4 boards less and about 5-6 boards more than my Darkside.
Rick, 3-4 less than the Untamed sounds pretty strong,...that's good!
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JeffRevs, you were right, the finish looks more like a compound vs what I would call a true polished look. Slightly more than the sheen/matte.
Yup, that's what the website says, ...sounds like they wanted a nice 'multi-purpose' type finish on it.
Please report back.....I love low RG arcing stuff! Sounds like a house shot dream!
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Post by: MTFD24 on July 30, 2004, 08:03:46 AM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on July 30, 2004, 08:09:47 AM
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Rick, it seems that your experience is similar to what I saw in Fran's reaction. And yes, it surely seemed to have quite the sheen, almost a high polish look. Thanks for the update.
MTFD, Fran must have polished it then, ...look at Rick's comment again...
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Post by: MTFD24 on July 30, 2004, 08:13:22 AM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on July 30, 2004, 08:24:53 AM
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Sorry....my mistake,
Don't apologize
I just wanted to point that out so we can all be on the same page..... With those specs, and a 'compound' type finish, ...it sounds like a perfect arcing medium condition ball!
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Post by: MTFD24 on July 30, 2004, 08:29:02 AM
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 30, 2004, 10:08:32 AM
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Rick, 3-4 less than the Untamed sounds pretty strong,...that's good!
You're right again Jeff, the reaction was stronger then I originally thought but which is good for me personally because my tilt has gone ridiculously high over the last few years. It read the oil line very nicely and that was something I've been wanting also, it didn't squirt like most balls.
MTFD, I'd say anybody with some decent hand would have to polish this to get the cleaner push thru the heads because of how much it wants to pull, me?...it works just fine...
I did get a better reaction in the oil (more direct) vs trying to loop it which makes sense because this design was for control, not for wheeling right. Just a few more tidbits...
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Post by: Rock77 on July 30, 2004, 12:23:40 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 30, 2004, 01:10:37 PM
With this new style I am trying control is going to be essential, and I have not tried the Sheer Havoc throwing this way. I have been far too lazy to redo all of my equipment.....the season is starting so I have to light the blowtorch under my rear!!!!
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Post by: Jeffrevs on July 30, 2004, 01:15:41 PM
Is the CT going away ?? Any rumors to that?
I see this being stronger than the CT....but what do I know........
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Post by: BackToBasics on July 30, 2004, 04:13:53 PM
how is your Freak-A-Zoid drilled compared to your Sheer? Let me know when you get a chance to compare these two so I can have some idea of how to lay them out. I'm experimenting with different grips so I won't drill any of the new stuff for another week or so. I want the Sheer and the FAZ to compliment each other so I want to know which one to drill stronger. I'm leaning towards the Sheer because of the light particle and then switch off the FAZ when I need a little more downlane.
Post by: tenpinspro on July 30, 2004, 05:26:53 PM
I'll try and compare both tonite along with my other med stuff if time permits. Hey wait...if you're Shrek, does this make me Eddie Murphy??...aw man...lolEx, Mr Learn is a tough guy to gauge stuff on. With his speed and release, I'd say he would get more out of a shiny resin ball than even a sanded Animal cause he plays more of the midlane to backend only. I mean I think he could literally fire anything thru the heads which makes it tough to see what the ball is actually doing or trying to do. It's all relative bud...
Rock, I'll try and test more tonite but I'd really like to try this outside of my center. I don't like the shot that's out, too deceiving. More to come...
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Post by: Brian Green on July 30, 2004, 11:54:46 PM
i did in fact discuss this ball with fran and Brian ( MTFD24) and it looked like a pretty controllable ball.... the drilling was pin above bridge and cg slightly kicked out to the right.... i didnt see a weight hole so i am guessing it had maybe a 1/4 to a 1/2 ounce of sideweight which might have added to the controllability of the ball...... also the pin looked to be like a 3 to 3 1/2 inch pin...
as for the pattern i honestly dont know what it was but it may have well be pattern e because i know this was the first pattern i have bowled on that forced me to play near the gutter...... usually i am playin 17 or 18 out to 10 at the breakpoint...(on the left side) on this particular pattern i was at 7 out to like 4 at the breakpoint........
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