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NJStroker

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Game Ruined
« on: August 25, 2008, 06:27:47 AM »
hey guys, just was gonna post this in here since i mostly throw track, and just to vent a bit. but it seems like my whole game tanked this summer. it seems that once i got my rising drilled, and it was drilled Long, it ruined my whole game. i cant repeat a shot for my life, my game changes every week, clip the fingers EVERY shot on the rising, but not on anything else, i've lost all confidence, all spare shooting ability, and all fun for right now. winter leagues are starting and i am completely lost, i bowled this summer in a pba league, i mean im still at like 190 THS but i used to be 205 on THS before this summer. idk what happened its just like i lost all talent, or luck since i probably started with no talent. Sorry guys just needed to vent a bit.
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NJStroker

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Re: Game Ruined
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2008, 11:12:28 AM »
norm, i dont think i got bad habits from the patterns, mostly because i dont hook the ball on house shots either, i play straight up on all the patterns, outside of 5 is easy for me, its just that i carry nothing, and i think i might be trying to fix that, and i get frustrated. but is there any way to know which way your timing is bad??? i mean im forcing everything, and im falling over to the right all the time now.
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Re: Game Ruined
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2008, 11:38:33 AM »
Hey NJ,
     
     You said that your Rising was drilled long and that you kept throwing it and that other things started to fall apart correct? This is just an idea that with you trying to change back from something that is longer in span to others that are shorter you might be spinning the other balls more now that your hand is trying to get used to a longer span and I can only say for myself that if I try a shorter span I tend to spin the ball more. THis could just be an idea for the lost of revs. Also, my suggestion would be this take your favorite ball out of your bag only one along with your spare ball and take thoes in and practice with thoes and thoes only. So you have 2 balls that feel the same with span and everything and you can allow your hand to reagain the memory of how thoes fell. Also, this can help your arm and everything else regain muscle memory. That is just my idea.
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Re: Game Ruined
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2008, 11:43:24 AM »
A bowling ball is not going to ruin your game unless it does not fit properly (measurements)
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Re: Game Ruined
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2008, 11:48:02 AM »
NJ what you are saying here is quite often what I hear around my area after shooting on PBAX league for a while.  It does take time to get back your form after messing around with the PBAX.  You made subtle changes to your game to compensate for the tougher patterns you faced.  If you are a high level bowler you probably made those changes without thinking about them.  I have found with me that it takes me about 3 or 4 sets on THS to get everything back to "normal".  The good news is that I feel that bowling during the summer on PBAX the last 2 years and sport the year befoer that it has definatly helped my overall game.  I am definatly more consitant and have the ability to make changes quicker.  I did cash bigger than normal at Nationals this year and I feel it is all about bowling the PBAX.  Just go back to basics in your approach and release and then go forward again from there.
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Re: Game Ruined
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2008, 12:33:36 PM »
I bowled two PBA leagues last year and a THS league.  The PBA patterns will force you to make different adjustments and use a different roll on the ball to be effective.  The adjustments that work on PBA patterns often time don't work on a THS pattern.

A THS pattern has a large concentration of oil in the center of the lane.  As the shot breaksdown, you follow the oil line towards the center of the lane.  Also more side roll with a sharp change of direction works on a THS.  PBA patterns don't have the large concentration of oil in the center of the lane.  Therefore as the shot breaksdown, your adjustment is to find more oil in the front part of the lane, which often times involves moving farther outside on the lane.  The PBA patterns encourage more forward roll and not a sharp change of direction.

I don't believe it is a problem with the ball.  However if it is a new ball, I would check the span and pitches to be sure the fit is correct and similar to your other balls.  As the others have said, go back to basics.  Try to relax and have some fun.  The scores will comeback to normal.
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NJStroker

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Re: Game Ruined
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2008, 01:12:19 PM »
thanks guys, although i dont think the pba league messed me up as i bowled a sport league in the winter and didn't have problems like this. the rising was drilled with a t-grip while everything else i use now mostly, is drilled with the ring finger shorter than the other stuff. he didn't even find my axis, just drilled me up after measuring me which means he measured me wrong obviously, the only way i made it fit the right span, was the fact that i took my dads drum sander to the front.
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to think that TRACK sucks. And its even funnier when im carrying with my TRACK ball and they're going flat ten with their BRUNSWICK ball.
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rengawB

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Re: Game Ruined
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2008, 02:11:56 PM »
"Send it to some of us through email, and let us watch it. We can then give you info on how to stop of these things"

That is the funniest  sh it  I ever heard. You are a "tool".


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You got alot of guys on here who are coaches, and know how to fix things. I would say get a video of yourself and dont post it on here. Send it to some of us through email, and let us watch it. We can then give you info on how to stop of these things. That way you can practice them and try to get out of whatever funk you are in. We all go through it, every now and again. Getting the help and applying it is what gets you out of it.
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NJStroker

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Re: Game Ruined
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2008, 04:38:45 PM »
south new jersey, its not that, but i have no ride to get there and if i took the bus, it would be an hour and a half to more.
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to think that TRACK sucks. And its even funnier when im carrying with my TRACK ball and they're going flat ten with their BRUNSWICK ball.
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Re: Game Ruined
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2008, 05:35:22 PM »
Until you can get some wheels, then the best thing you can do for now is to videotape yourself for others to see you.  You know there are enough legion staffers alone that would be able to help you out.

May I ask what the issue seems to be with the pro shop closest to you?  Just wondering.  I know the pro shop closest to me sucks balls.
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NJStroker

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Re: Game Ruined
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2008, 05:39:55 PM »
well the closest pro-shop is 45 minutes away driving, there are 3 right around there, but the guy who just did this one, drilled it t-grip, without watching me bowl, and got the wrong span.
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to think that TRACK sucks. And its even funnier when im carrying with my TRACK ball and they're going flat ten with their BRUNSWICK ball.
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Mark T. Trgovac

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Re: Game Ruined
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2008, 12:07:12 PM »
quote:
"Send it to some of us through email, and let us watch it. We can then give you info on how to stop of these things"

That is the funniest  sh it  I ever heard. You are a "tool".


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NJ,

You got alot of guys on here who are coaches, and know how to fix things. I would say get a video of yourself and dont post it on here. Send it to some of us through email, and let us watch it. We can then give you info on how to stop of these things. That way you can practice them and try to get out of whatever funk you are in. We all go through it, every now and again. Getting the help and applying it is what gets you out of it.
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Mark "scoot" Trgovac
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Youngstown, Ohio
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Sorry dont see a connection to your statement.
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Mark "scoot" Trgovac
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Re: Game Ruined
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2008, 06:33:44 PM »
"SHOCKER"


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Sorry dont see a connection to your statement.
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Re: Game Ruined
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2008, 12:08:27 PM »
NJ,

If you have a drop ring, you are going to spin the ball. I'd check the fit. Then I'd go to the ball you think has the best and most comfortable reaction, meaning where you can play a comfortable line and work on your game. Pick one thing at a time and work on it.

If it's timing, my suggesting is start with the feet. Feel free to send me email or message on here and we'll see what we come up with.

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NJStroker

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Re: Game Ruined
« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2008, 12:53:49 PM »
norm, on my inertia, which is longer in the middle, i track HIGH, but i have quite a bit of tilt for some reason IDK y though. the equation which is longer in the middle is better as it doesn't tilt as much, and my tracks a tad lower, i think if i took my equation and lengthened it a bit, it would be perfect.
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to think that TRACK sucks. And its even funnier when im carrying with my TRACK ball and they're going flat ten with their BRUNSWICK ball.
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Norm1184

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Re: Game Ruined
« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2008, 01:17:19 PM »
NJ,

Whatever you decide on, you NEED to make all of the balls the same. Changing fits all the time, and/or going from one ball to the next when the fits in each are different is only going to cause problems. Consistency should be your number one goal.
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