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Brickguy221

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Track Balls That Match Ebonite's One & Big One
« on: February 20, 2006, 02:59:42 AM »
What Track balls will match up to the Ebonite ONE & BIG ONE? Keep in mind that these Ebonite balls are not low spin time balls like 5-6-etc. second spin times, so don't suggest "low spin time" Track balls because "low spin time" balls with low RG's (unless they have a high differental like a GP2) do not match up/work regardless of how they are drilled, for low rev people like myself.


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Re: Track Balls That Match Ebonite's One & Big One
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2006, 12:08:57 PM »
Track has the ANIMAL CORE with a REACTIVE COVER.  Oh I forgot they didn't make that ball.  Boy did TRACK miss the boat on that ball.

That ball would have probably been the answer to the ONE!



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Re: Track Balls That Match Ebonite's One & Big One
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2006, 03:59:56 PM »
I have thrown most of Tracks balls and I have thrown both the Big One and One. I would say the closest ball to the Big One would be the Arsenal Reactive. I have found that the Big one is a bit more versatile though! It can be used on more various conditions than my Reactive because I found my Reactive to be very picky to how much volume of head oil was present, mine liked alot of it. The Big one also handles oil GREAT so far for me and its not nearly as oil picky! As far as the one, mine is at 1000 grit and its nothing like any Tracks I have thrown! Maybe the Machine will be in the same league????

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Re: Track Balls That Match Ebonite's One & Big One
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2006, 04:44:49 PM »
I'd guess the closest approximations for the One is the Arsenal Angular and for the Big One is the Delta1. My best guess.

Why are you even paying attention to the spin time?
Do you REALLY know how that relates to rev rate?
I'd bet it's more closely related to ball speed, axis tilt and angle of rotation.
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Re: Track Balls That Match Ebonite's One & Big One
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2006, 09:14:55 PM »

 
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Why are you even paying attention to the spin time?
 


Jeff, you missed my point. Read my post again.

 
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Do you REALLY know how that relates to rev rate?
 


Yes.....

 
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I'd bet it's more closely related to ball speed, axis tilt and angle of rotation.


Yes, that is some of but not all of it. That is why the balls with low RG's and low spin times don't work for people like myself unless the ball has a high differential and then that alone doesn't resolve the problem, but helps. I've spent $600 learning this. Expensive lesson.

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Re: Track Balls That Match Ebonite's One & Big One
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2006, 10:00:30 PM »
Brick,

I didn't miss your point. I think you reached the wrong conclusion.

I've seen far too many guys assume that only balls with specific cores specifications will work for them. I know that's wrong and I try to convinve them otherwise; because you cannot separate a cover from its core. You just cannot. My strong feeling is the same applies to your situation. You'll see many core with widely varying mass bias differentials and with varying RG differential and with varying core RG's, all having low spin times.

Which is really the cause of what you saw/see?

Be careful!!


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Re: Track Balls That Match Ebonite's One & Big One
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2006, 10:33:33 PM »
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You'll see many core with widely varying mass bias differentials and with varying RG differential and with varying core RG's, all having low spin times.
 


True, but regardless of the type cover, a ball with both a low RG and a 5 second spin time is going to roll early and quit before it gets to the pins if you don't have speed and revs of which I have neither. I've spent $600 for balls in learning this and more than that if you count the plugging and redrilling of these balls trying to make them work.

I recently made a post on this and some with styles similar to mine agreed and others like your self didn't. Even one of the two pro shops that I use, agrees with me. I can ask the other one tomorrow if anyone wants to know what he says as I bowl in his house.

If the spin time had no effect on a ball, then why make them with both low RG's and low spin times. Now, a high RG ball with a high differental and a
5-6 second spin time, it might work for people like myself, I don't know. I just know that I am not buying any more balls like the 3 I have now.

That is why I made this post and if Track has nothing in their newer balls, then I will move on to Brunswick, Ebonite, Hammer and Legends as they do have balls that will match up for me. Even Storm which is one of my favorite companys seems to be going the way of 5 second spin times on some of their better balls.

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Re: Track Balls That Match Ebonite's One & Big One
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2006, 11:17:55 PM »
Brickguy,

In my opinion....just as an observation the "ANSWER" to the one in Track's lineup is the Arsenal Artillery. Length, and an extremely strong move on the backend of the lane.

As for the Big One, I have yet to see it in action....so I am not so sure what a good comparison would be.

-Carl

PS- I am just about ready to post my mini on the Artillery, but between you and I......I have not thrown NOR seen a ball thrown that hits as hard as this thing.

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Re: Track Balls That Match Ebonite's One & Big One
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2006, 11:32:33 PM »
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In my opinion....just as an observation the "ANSWER" to the one in Track's lineup is the Arsenal Artillery. Length, and an extremely strong move on the backend of the lane.

 


Thanks Carl. I've been eyballing that ball. Sort of waiting to see how it fares.

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Re: Track Balls That Match Ebonite's One & Big One
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2006, 11:46:00 PM »
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just so you know buddy theres NO match to the one and the big one  lol there the best you can get


Storm, you may very well be right as there are a few people that have them in the two houses I bowl in and they are "destroying the rack" with them. They seem to carry like nothing I have ever seen. In fact one of the pro shop drillers I use has 3 of them and loves each one.

I bowled against a man with a 140 average 4 weeks ago that had a ONE and he bowled a 686 series against me and never had more than 5-6 decent hits total for all 3 games. However, the thing bothering me about them is all of these "dying out" reports.

Also a friend of mine on this site had a ONE that cracked big time and he went thru "H" trying to get Ebonite to replace it. I'm waiting to see how much is true and how much is BS about the "dying out" as well as see what Track has as I like Track also and the guys in this forum are great when it comes to helping a person. No other forum on BR has the same quality of help that the Track forum does.

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Re: Track Balls That Match Ebonite's One & Big One
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2006, 12:02:22 AM »
The spin time measures how much of an influence a mass bias will have when it is placed in various locations. It does NOT mean that the ball will roll up sooner. Spin time and the time it takes a ball to roll up are 2 completely seperate concepts.

What low spin times do allow you to do is to get the extreme angularity out of a ball or the extreme control that would not be possible with other equipment. Believe me, I have experienced this first hand as I have been able to take a heavy oil ball (weapon of mass bias), drill it with the mass bias in a weak position, and get a great piece for lighter patterns. I have another weapon of mass bias on the other spectrum, that is only good on a lot of oil.

I see no correlation in spin time and "rolling up too soon," as can be evidenced by the extreme angularity of the paradigm, the exception, etc. I don't think you quite understand what the spin time even shows a driller, and how it can be used to a drillers advantage to create balls that would not otherwise be able to come about.

In addition, you cannot seperate a ball into just its components and say "this core is never going to work, or this cover is never going to work." You have to look at the whole picture and look at each ball as an individual entity, seperate from every other ball that you're looking at.

In addition, I have neither seen nor heard any rumors of the one dying out at all.
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Re: Track Balls That Match Ebonite's One & Big One
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2006, 10:57:14 AM »
stan, although I don't entirely agree with what you have said here, I still appreciate your input. As I have said, there are people who agree with me here including one of my drillers and those like yourself and Charlest that don't. I do know that I own several balls with 3 of them being low spin time balls in the 5 and 6 second range and not a single one of them performs for me. With these type results, how else am I supposed to believe? After spending $600 on 3 balls plus probably another $120-$150 on plugging and re-drilling then trying to make them work and find they  still produce the same results, I have reason to see it as I do of which is...low spin time balls don't work for me.

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Re: Track Balls That Match Ebonite's One & Big One
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2006, 03:37:01 PM »
Thanks Toe. I appreciate it very much and thanks to all others that responded as well as those that helped.

JIM

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Re: Track Balls That Match Ebonite's One & Big One
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2006, 01:00:28 PM »
I have a Big One, and also have An Agressive, and it doesn't move like either of the One's.  I have not seen the Artillery in action yet, I was waiting for it, but the Big One beat it to the shelf.  I am hearing all positive reviews about the Artillery, and now I am intrigued.  And let me say I almost exclusively throw Track because I have the most success there, I have never had an Ebonite work for me the way the BIG ONE does.

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Re: Track Balls That Match Ebonite's One & Big One
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2006, 02:30:09 PM »
Hey everyone. When I got the Rule Delta 1, it was absolutely crushing the pocket. The continuation of the ball is incredible. I've left my fair share of solid 8's and 9's though.

When I got The One it was absolutely shredding the rack. It just carried differently and had about the same hit as the Delta. I've never seen so much recovery from a ball before. I'd compare the hit to the Delta, but I haven't left the solid 8's & 9's that the Delta did though. The Delta just steamrolls through the pocket and is very powerful.
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