Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 18, 2005, 05:03:03 AM
Hook Rating (DULL/POLISHED): 26-21
LENGTH(1-10) : 8
BACKEND(1-10) : 7
Core Technology: Tri-core
Core power rating(1-10) : 7
RG: 2.56
Diff: .037
Flare Potential: 5
Coverstock: Power Plus with mica
Color: Burgandy
Friction Rating: 6
Factory Finish: Compound
Recommeded Polish: Magic Shine
Reaction Shape: Arc
Lane conditions: medium-light
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Post by: kayoung08 on March 18, 2005, 01:11:19 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 18, 2005, 01:14:04 PM
As mentioned in my other thread, I have only used it briefly, but I feel it is VERY true to its specs. Definately a step down from the Slash and Freakazoid as far as oil handling abilities. SO far what I have seen out of the ball that excites me the most is that I believe it will be successful in the hands of every style of bowler.
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Post by: kayoung08 on March 18, 2005, 05:21:29 PM
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Post by: MAD on March 18, 2005, 10:31:17 PM
How does the Heat compare to the Crunchtime. The specs are similar with the Heat having 7 versus 6 on the backend. With the differential being lower for the Heat (.037 vs. .047), I would have thought the Crunchtime might have been a little stronger on the back.
I love my Crunchtime, but there are times it is a little hard to control the breakpoint. The Heat's lower differential, might make the breakpoint a little easier to read.
Anyway, interested to hear your thoughts.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 18, 2005, 10:39:50 PM
Currently I do not have a CrunchTime, but I am working on that
Thinking to how the CrunchTime I used to have was, this ball would be a great compliment to it. The CrunchTime definately rolls sooner, reading the lane sooner. The HEAT would be perfect for when the CrunchTime is just too much ball.
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Post by: clintdaley on March 19, 2005, 05:36:01 AM
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on March 19, 2005, 07:57:39 AM
What a POS, hits like a popcorn fart...... Just kidding tough conditions and no way of really testing balls true abilities.
That pocket 5 pin leave was great
This is the first time I think I have ever out shot Rick in league. I know he was testing equipment and we were on the same pair it feels great to beat the champ once in awhile.
So Rick, Why couldn't we kill that shot like my teammates?
At least I bowled average on that pair but that isn't saying much.
I'd really like to see that ball work on a decent shot.
I'll let Rick explain the particulars of the Heat.
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Post by: icetink on March 19, 2005, 09:11:20 AM
Pocket 5 pin!??! LOL! My two-finger 6lb plastic style carries better Rick must really be throwing 5lbs then 
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Post by: TJFreaky24 on March 19, 2005, 09:23:48 AM
As you may remember, We have had many discussions about what the hexplosion can handle. You say that it is more of a medium light type of ball for you. I'm curious as to how the heat stack up with the hexplosion. I find the Hexplosion to be just too strong sometimes and I am actually looking for something under it. Care to elaborate?
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Post by: BackToBasics on March 19, 2005, 10:58:31 AM
I used both this morning and will probably be using them the rest of the weekend. I'll definately have more info next week.
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Post by: TJFreaky24 on March 19, 2005, 12:16:55 PM
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Post by: tenpinspro on March 19, 2005, 01:02:07 PM
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That pocket 5 pin leave was great
LOL...you azz...LMAO. You forgot to mention the 2 8-10's..LOL
The lanes were F.R.I.E.D....all I brought were my 2 arsenals and just punched the Heat after talking to Excaliber briefly on the phone. This place has been in horrible condition all year, reversed with dry heads and no backends, a bowler's worst nightmare. I'm the only deuce in the league at 202 (not after last nite), everybody's down. Yesterday was even worse, no head oil and mids were reading extremely quick as well.
I drilled my Heat for Nats, going next week. I liked the reaction of my Arsenal Aggressive so much that I drilled the Heat the same way 1.5x1, pin 3.5 above mid. This is a very nice hook/set layout for the shots that have jumpy backends. I'll be practicing this week some so I'll be able to give some feedback as well. Will let you guys know soon....
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 19, 2005, 09:54:14 PM
For me the HEAT is a couple of feet longer, but it is stronger on the backend. So the Heat and Hexplosion for me would be playable on the medium/light-light conditions. I did get it to be well below the Hexplosion today though. I threw it a few shots during practice and decided I wanted Magic Shine on the cover rather than the box Clean n Sheen. This gave it even more length while it still had very good backend.
A couple more observations(as I get a few more games I will post a mini soon), it will not move if there is oil present. Tonight when the lanes carried down It did not have enough umph to make it back. I immediately made the switch to the Slash. Before the carrydown was present though it was awesome. It is still the reactive skid/flip kind of reaction though, and the drilling I applied is fairly strong for me. When the backends are dry it will open up the lane. NOT nearly as smooth of a breakpoint as the Hexplosion for me----but it is not as strong as the Dry Heat either.
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Post by: Lane Bed on March 19, 2005, 11:11:42 PM
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Post by: kayoung08 on March 23, 2005, 05:31:21 PM
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Post by: charlest on March 23, 2005, 06:22:54 PM
Given what you folks have said about the Heat, I'm still interested in
1) whether it's a solid/pearl combo or what?
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2) how it compares to the Crash, with which I did not have any luck although others have had (luck).
(Other notes -
- Practiced with my CT again today; it's been redrilled twice (2 sets of plugged holes and my own drilling) still is a freight train in steroids! How can I buy ANOTHER BALL?
- got an undrilled FAZ waiting in the wings, but no condition on which to use it.
- still waiting to get my hands on a Rule.)
Edited on 3/23/2005 9:01 PM
Post by: clintdaley on March 23, 2005, 06:35:57 PM
I do not have a Crash anymore....can't compare them side to side.
Better get your hands on a Rule soon if you want NIB....they are probably being discontinued and will not be in next years catalog.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 23, 2005, 09:06:09 PM
It is solid reactive with mica. To compare it to the Crash....the Crash was a little sooner and stronger on the backend. They both level the pins though. I liked the Crash, but I like the Heat much more because it seems to be a bit more consistant than the Crash was.
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Post by: BackToBasics on March 23, 2005, 09:09:05 PM
The Heat is a different ball. It's not as squirty in the oil so I can use it on a little heavier mediums than what it's intended for (still not a heavy oil ball). It's earlier and smoother than the Crash. It reads really well for a "pearlish" ball. It reminds me of the CT with it's hitting power (pins look like balsa wood when hit) but for me it's not quite as strong off the dry. I really think this ball will be a hit. For nostalgic purposes and for those like myself who never got a chance to throw the original. Maybe DP3 will chime in with what he saw tonight with it as he and few of my other friends threw it tonight in a Track demo day
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Edited on 3/23/2005 10:57 PM
Post by: DP3 on March 23, 2005, 11:37:46 PM
With my two handed release I would venture to say my speed is around 18.5-19mph with a revrate around the low 500rpms. Tony's drill seemed to check really hard out of the dry boards on the two balls I threw it, but even then I could predict the movement of the ball. After sending one of the most ridiculously herculean-strength messengers I've ever seen in my life on the second shot I put the ball down, it scared me how hard it hit the pins and how fast the headpin came across the deck to take out the tenpin on what seemed to be a flat-hit.
I definately can't wait to drill one up, I might even trade my beloved Classic Zone for one
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Post by: charlest on March 24, 2005, 03:54:57 AM
Anthony, I thought the Crash was far too squirrelly also. I love your "balsa wood" analogy!
I can't tell you how many good balls I've tried recently for mediums to medium-light oil and no matter how good they look and hit I still come back to the control and hitting power of the CT.
I am thinking the Heat would be a nice step down from my CT, but since my CT is already drilled so mildly, pin over center of bridge and CG in grip center, how much more mildly can I drill a Heat to insure it's a definite step down AND without killing it altogether? (FYI That's a serious question, not a rhetorical one.)
Post by: Nollster on March 24, 2005, 05:08:24 AM
quote:Rick -
I drilled my Heat for Nats, going next week. I liked the reaction of my Arsenal Aggressive so much that I drilled the Heat the same way 1.5x1, pin 3.5 above mid. This is a very nice hook/set layout for the shots that have jumpy backends. I'll be practicing this week some so I'll be able to give some feedback as well. Will let you guys know soon....
What is a hook-set ball movement?? I'm envisioning my roll from the urethane days -- my ball would go down the lane, start to hook then roll-out into the pocket. Is that the type of motion you mean, just without the rolling out??
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Post by: BackToBasics on March 24, 2005, 09:37:26 AM
You sure that wasn't my messenger you saw coming across
Admit it...I'm making you guys cross over from the Dark Side with the Agressive and Heat. Feel the force Luke....charlest:
how much more mildly can I drill a Heat to insure it's a definite step down AND without killing it altogether
That's a very good question. The only thing I can suggest is something I've done in the past when already having a weak drilling and want a weaker (but still strong) compliment. I plan on doing it again once I get my 2nd Heat and that's going about 1/2" to 3/4" weaker with the pin (for me that's about 6" from the PAP) but going with a flare increasing hole. I favor the "rev leverage" hole because it gets it to startup a little earlier than going just past the axis. This produced a ball that was cleaner and longer than the original, but still enough kick and flare downlane. I did this with 2 Hexs, CTs and Slashs. The original was about 2-4 boards stronger depending on the friction dowlane.
Hope that helps!
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Post by: tenpinspro on March 24, 2005, 03:19:17 PM
Nollster:
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Rick -
What is a hook-set ball movement?? I'm envisioning my roll from the urethane days -- my ball would go down the lane, start to hook then roll-out into the pocket. Is that the type of motion you mean, just without the rolling out??
Yes, that is exactly what I get from this layout on this block. I've drilled many to the old label axis drills and even some to where I place the pin and cg past pap, huge weight hole thru cg (old stable Hammer drill). I got to practice a little more and this goes very long for me. On the same condition as my Arsenal Aggressive review (34 buffed to 42), it forced me dead right to the dry area and I could go down in with good success. My Friday nite shot is very tough, we have tons of carry down and multiple pins slide (out of range) around the deck all the time so that tells you how far the oil has pushed or that they don't clean the backends consistently.
Charlest, this may not be a bad idea for you based on our conversations of the conditions you tend to encounter. It really offers a lot of control and a very gradual movement towards the pins on the backend. I think you have more turn and finish then I do, so this would a good combo as I feel I could've drilled this just a tad stronger for myself. I anticipated the Heat to be a little jumpier on the backend which it definitely isn't. I may get a second one to drill stronger, very nice control from resin.
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Post by: charlest on March 24, 2005, 04:10:16 PM
That certainly is an interesting idea. I might need a 5" pin-CG ball to place the CG far enough into the thumb positive quadrant to allow a rev-leverage hole. ... Yup, just measured a ball: will need 4.5-5" pin. But I like the concept.