Post by: tenpinspro on January 09, 2008, 01:15:21 AM
At the arrows, go ahead (w/ permission from the house of course) and "tape" down a quarter on a board or so of your choice and see how many times you can hit that quarter. The ball should thump or you'll hear it or as it rolls over it. Back in my day, it was a dime and if you couldn't hit it more then 8 times, you weren't that good!... I'll give you guys a quarter due to equipment strength and area created by technology. These days....you can still get to the pocket effectively easily with that much room.
My average?...I used to be able to go 8-9 out of 10 but my buddies on Touring 1 (highest) just put me to shame (we had separate categories for touring to regional pro players way back when) so I knew where I stood with them.
(Sorry, interjection....Touring pros 1&2 and then Regional guys... Forgot what it meant exactly but I think it it was similar to Touring 1 being "exempt" and "non" which still had to qualify from week to week thru rabbits....now aka PTQ)
Understood that today's game no longer takes that kind of accuracy.....but imagine what your scores can be like if you were able to hit that quarter everytime (assuming you were lined up correctly....that's the next month's tip/excerpt from my book)
One more note....NO cheating!..lol You still have to throw the ball normally or with close to the same amount of lift effort as you normally do. I learned I could fluff it and hit it 10/10...lol Maybe this says something about your personal game, huh?........I'm not your Prez without reason.....
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on edit: After hitting the board(s) of your choice to satisfaction....move it. If you can do this effectively, I'll explain what you've accomplished.....
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Post by: Big_Daddy_357 on January 09, 2008, 09:43:01 AM
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This is a higher level practice technique I grew up with in Chicago.
At the arrows, go ahead (w/ permission from the house of course) and "tape" down a quarter on a board or so of your choice and see how many times you can hit that quarter. The ball should thump or you'll hear it or as it rolls over it. Back in my day, it was a dime and if you couldn't hit it more then 8 times, you weren't that good
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Are you kidding me!? I'd have to put the quarter about ... thirty feet down the lane! That's where my ball 'touch down' (I'm an ATC when it comes to bowling
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Post by: bstone on January 09, 2008, 09:51:55 AM
but I'll work on it!
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Post by: pop_1 on January 09, 2008, 10:56:53 AM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on January 09, 2008, 11:40:39 AM
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 09, 2008, 01:45:05 PM
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I need a dollar bill across the boards
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I can hit the right side of the lane 9/10 times
Ditto on what bstone and pop 1 said.
Geez Nephew, when I can't hit 2 boards consistantly, how do you expect me to hit a quarter board?.........Oh wait, maybe put the tape 3 feet past the foul line?
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Post by: Leftyhi-trak on January 09, 2008, 09:18:24 PM
Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on January 09, 2008, 10:06:17 PM
I would have to land at least 13/15 when we would do this. I have sence started to add more tape areas. My favorit on to do is to place the dime covered one at the arrows. Then down the lane place to at the same distance on the lane only on different boards. Maybe 3-5 boards apart, with the goal to roll the ball over the first tape and then inbetween the two down lane.
I find that this helps me to be more consistant on shots like you see in a PBA league. Where you have to hit your mark in the heads but still feed the ball to the right spot downlane to get that consistant reaction.
With the way Rick states I can land 9/10, normaly. The further you move the tape the harder it gets. When the tape is down lane I can land about 7-8/10. Yet the hardest is the way I have been doing it with the tape in the heads and the area to hit down lane. I havent done it lately but last I tryed I was only hitting a 66% on it so 6/10. That isnt bad but much improvement is needed.
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Post by: jodyk24 on January 10, 2008, 09:04:04 AM
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Post by: Scolai on January 10, 2008, 09:20:10 AM
I've worked with Ron Clifton, also. I wasn't able to replicate the targeting thing with him after he completely restructured my approach to eliminate a bad drifting habit. Until I got used to the new approach, my targeting was out the window. Nevertheless, time with Ron is worth every penny. I wish I could get out there more often.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 10, 2008, 09:39:39 AM
Will attend to it when I get back...
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 10, 2008, 01:47:15 PM
He was struggling for him and was averaging about 219.
I noticed his incredible frustration at watching lesser bowlers(less accurate) beat him in tourney after tourney. Often due to carry!
At one point he exclaimed..."I am the 4th most accurate bowler in the world!'
At this point I queried "hack that I am....can I ask you a question?"
I continued, "What do you base that on?"
HE replied that at one of the high roller tournies he had tested #4 for accuracy.
I replied "so that explains it!"
"WHAT"??! he replied!
"Well all that coming out of a balanced follow thru position in order to hit your mark"! I replied....
You see he had been doing ANYTHING to splice his mark...breaking back his wrist...straightening his knee, whatever it took he spliced his mark at the arrows! But his carry percentage was abysmal!
AND to average 219 this is while almost not missing a single pin all season!
(a multi time regional champ this is!)
At the same time we had a very good form bowler on our team who was really on fire seemingly being able to average near 240 or higher every time he felt like it on league conditions!
He explained to me his goal was to hit areas near the arrow while maintaining beautiful followthru form and a consistent clean release and if he "missed" the exact center of his almost 3 board area at the arrows so what...with a clean release and strong leverage position at the line he "WOULD" carry.
A year or so ago my regional pro friend adopting this "new for him "not so accurate philosophy in league (but proper balanced and leveraged foul line position) recorded one of the highest right handed averages at his home center a 24X and was for one of the first times a righty to lead this lefty friendly center in average!
He got it! He is no longer as accurate in league while continuing to contend very strongly in regionals and has even looked pretty darn good at the US open at times!
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Post by: CoachLefty on January 10, 2008, 02:14:55 PM
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Post by: DON DRAPER on January 11, 2008, 10:18:15 PM
in practicing for this type of shot i would put strips of white athletic tape on the lane----one piece on the first board and the other piece on the fourth board. this was my target.
Post by: mumzie on January 11, 2008, 11:17:59 PM
Lefty - I agree wholeheartedly - I've always been extremely accurate. There's no prize money for hitting your target - only for carrying the shot. I've been trying to loosen up and target an "area" - it works sometimes, but not always.
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Post by: mpwebber on January 12, 2008, 01:50:09 PM
Accuracy is one way to improve, but the winner in the modern game seems to be the guy who can generate the most area AND carry. And carry is not a game of luck.
I bowl with a guy who has a very simple game and is quite accurate. Often I find that he plays the wrong part of the lane because he does not miss his mark often enough to know he is in the wrong area of the lane. The problem is that when he does miss, he pays a high price. Now when the pattern becomes more difficult it is hard to beat him, but on an easier pattern, he is at a disadvantage.
Post by: crankncrash on January 14, 2008, 05:04:06 PM
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It is almost like there are two games of bowling today.
Accuracy is one way to improve, but the winner in the modern game seems to be the guy who can generate the most area AND carry. And carry is not a game of luck.
I bowl with a guy who has a very simple game and is quite accurate. Often I find that he plays the wrong part of the lane because he does not miss his mark often enough to know he is in the wrong area of the lane. The problem is that when he does miss, he pays a high price. Now when the pattern becomes more difficult it is hard to beat him, but on an easier pattern, he is at a disadvantage.
Do you know me? haha just kidding, I used to be the guy that could kick ur lilly arse on any shot because I was accurate enough to hit my marks and still loose enough to carry. NOW, the equipment is so much stronger that unless I got retroactive or to plastic, I can't play up the boards on a house shot.. Another words, I went from one house averaging 214 with a few beverages a night to a whole new game... I hurt my wrist, litterally dumped all of my equipment in favor of lighter stuff and can't do a darn thing now. I can't throw anything that I have had up the boards in the houses I'm in now, I was using an old quantum fire and taking everything I could out of it to get it up the boards last year. So now I have conseded that I have to swing the ball, and I am not as consistant with that. I like PBA because its a tighter shot and I stand a chance! The last tourney I bowled in, I shoot 198 with 2 ten pin misses (don't ask), and had the high score for the first game by 20 pins across the house! I felt I was struggling, but nobody for nobody could score because they couldn't hit a mark consistantly ( at least that is what I saw on my pair) I backed that game with 19x's and won the tourney with a decent performance from my partner who also is a more accurate than power player. I have a power game, but its not accurate and I don't like going to it.. I guess its time to hit this drill with the "strong release" BTW the last time I played the game I was 19 of 20 with 15 in a row, but I wasn't carrying crap because I was going up the boards to do it..
Post by: LuckyLefty on January 15, 2008, 02:07:57 PM
No one pays attention to where they are at the midpoint of a shot...only the end point!
BUT frankly when I watch two handers on a league condition I am convinced that the key to bowling on league conditions is a strong release, getting ones feet in the right place and the proper ball.
As one progresses to tougher conditions accuracy goes up in importance but after watching Wes Malott on the cheetah pattern this week win in Medford one cannot discount the advantage of smooth and powerful release. (WHat about the one shot he threw near the end of the match that touched the 1/2 board and still struck...was it accuracy or a strong release?)
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Post by: tenpinspro on January 15, 2008, 03:34:28 PM
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In golf where the friction in the air is pretty consistent...(or one must judge direction of the wind).
No one pays attention to where they are at the midpoint of a shot...only the end point!
BUT frankly when I watch two handers on a league condition I am convinced that the key to bowling on league conditions is a strong release, getting ones feet in the right place and the proper ball.
As one progresses to tougher conditions accuracy goes up in importance but after watching Wes Malott on the cheetah pattern this week win in Medford one cannot discount the advantage of smooth and powerful release. (WHat about the one shot he threw near the end of the match that touched the 1/2 board and still struck...was it accuracy or a strong release?)
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Very interesting post LL and crankncrash,
*To hijack my own post*
When did speed become a factor in our game in order to become successful? I'm with crankncrash when the game was more about accuracy and hand positions vs speed and revs. Don't get me wrong, speed and revs did always fair well but for some, accuracy still played a large part in our success as a bowler.
These days it does seem (unless we're on a sport shot of some type) that he/she who has more revs and speed will dominate. Equipment has played a large part in this factor as to why I explain to my customers why we don't allow aluminum bats in pro baseball (everybody would/can hit homeruns) and NCGA stopped golfclubs at titanium. If all of us could hit a golfball 300+ yards, who's Tiger? Bowling never stopped folks....ABC did not have the vision to see what was coming from manufacturers and what technology was going to do.
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Post by: crankncrash on January 17, 2008, 02:33:11 PM
Post by: LuckyLefty on January 18, 2008, 09:46:05 AM
How about a hell of a lot harder to hit a fairway than between arrows?
Brings up the question...for whom? Depends on your swing.
I personnally do not see all this bad bowling going on in the 220 range that other bowlers are seeing.
Yesterday I saw a precision woman bowler who wins a lot of tournies and has numerous 300s and I believe an 8 shoot a tiny 6...say 620. She had a bad luck 170 game to start with a couple of pocket 7-10s....swtiched balls and with luck could have had 290 the second game.
Also had a powerhouse bowler with what I consider the perfect league release shoot 655. He looks like a no thumber but isn't (it is just his thumb comes out so early creating beautiful free revs...somewhat similar to a Wes Mallott release)! He was rewarded for his powerhouse release and has more area than the board splicer above.
So it would be with golf with graduated rough and somewhat how it is as Tiger and Vijays stats for total driving are down....over the past few years and yet with their rough escape abity and square grooves they are able to play great while 8 years ago almost always the leaders in total driving(accuracy and distance combined led the money list.
REgards,
LUckylefty
PS in golf there is Jim Furyk(board splicer) and Tiger Woods(only a board splicer second half of last year). Take your pick.
So equipment advances.
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Post by: crankncrash on January 18, 2008, 12:29:17 PM