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CharlieBrown

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Replacement for EMB XF
« on: April 25, 2004, 12:32:05 AM »
Hi!

What is the best ball to replace my two-year-old EMB XF?  (Track preferred, but other makes welcome, though no Lane #1 cos we don't get them here in England, U.K.)

It's one of the best balls I've ever thrown.

Thank you!  
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J_Mac

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Re: Replacement for EMB XF
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2004, 04:06:14 PM »
This might be a long shot, but you might find that the Threat is similar.  It is a particle pearl rated for medium oil, but the core shape is different.  The numbers are slightly different as well.  It has been discontinued, but still should be easily found.

EMB XF - RG 2.54, diff 0.040

Threat - RG 2.50, diff 0.042
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Re: Replacement for EMB XF
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2004, 04:13:07 PM »
Maybe the Thrash too...
RG   2.50
Diff   0.045
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Re: Replacement for EMB XF
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2004, 04:16:41 PM »
depends on the reaction you get from yours?  Do you have the "go long and flip" reaction out of it?  If so, then either the Thrash or Threat might be a good solution.  However, if your reaction is similar to the reaction I get out of mine (smoother with minimal backend) then you might see some good out of the Roto-Grip Retro Ressurection, or possibly the Sheer Havoc that Track is coming out with very shortly.
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CharlieBrown

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Re: Replacement for EMB XF
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2004, 04:48:04 PM »
loose,

my EMB XF goes 'long and flip', and we don't get Roto-Grip balls in England.  Both Thrash and Threat have been discontinued, and a quick look at the local pro-shops websites, I expect them to be very hard to find in this country.


J_Mac,
Sorry. Off topic:

I've noticed that you have a Prime Time; I'm getting one soon.
Most of my bowling balls go long and flip, I think with the correct drilling,  the Prime Time should give me this reaction as well (may even be similar to EMB XF).
What is Prime Time like? I've read very good reviews (for a 'cheap' ball) on this sites.

Also have a Power Groove Reactive (pin above and between fingers, CG and pin both on perpendicular axis line), much stronger ball than expected.
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Re: Replacement for EMB XF
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2004, 12:12:51 AM »
Wow, missing out on Roto over in England, that's no fun.  In that case, perhaps wait on the Sheer Havoc, from what I have read about it from Track, it seems as though that ball is designed to get through the heads rather well, so perhaps you could make it flip on the backend (with all that stored energy).
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CharlieBrown

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Re: Replacement for EMB XF
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2004, 12:38:24 AM »
Hey loose,

Just checked out the Track site.

Quote from site:  'Use Havoc on the fresher backends to control your breakpoint and follow with Sheer Havoc when the heads begin to hook. Then your game will be unstoppable, too.'

Does this make sense to you?  It says Sheer Havoc will get through the heads better, yet the Track website give the Sheer Havoc a rating of 4.0 for length, and Havoc has a rating of 6.0.  How is this possible?  If a ball can get through the heads better surely it should have better length?!?  I'm confused.

The only possible explaination is that Sheer Havoc has Fang Particle coverstock, and Havoc has solid reactive.?!?

If I get the Sheer Havoc and drill it for long and flip, am I asking the ball to do something that it's not supposed to do (being shorter length than Havoc), and therefore wasting the ball's potential?!?
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Re: Replacement for EMB XF
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2004, 12:55:10 AM »
My Prime Time is an interesting little devil.  Mine is drilled to get down the lane and make it's move, but I don't really see lane conditions that let me take advantage of this ball that often.  Ebonite has said that this is a ball to move to when their Savage Flip starts skidding to far past your breakpoint.
 
After reviewing the numbers for the EMB XF and the Prime Time they are similar. The cores are also some what similar other than the flip block in the Prime Time.
You may already have ordered a replacement for your worn out XF.  

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Re: Replacement for EMB XF
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2004, 01:37:19 AM »
prime time is awesome, don't be affraid to drill it aggressive its simply and amazing ball, it gets good lenght on its own and the back end is nothing short of perfect imo, its strong but not uncontrolable, go for it I'm sure you wont regret it
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Re: Replacement for EMB XF
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2004, 04:21:42 AM »
Hey CB,

If you want long and flip, you can also look at the Triple Threat.  This ball can clear the heads in med/lite oil and has a very strong backend built in to it as well.

I'm assuming the explanation to the Sheer being a 4 length vs the Havoc at 6 is due to the rg ratings.  The Sheer is showing at 2.47 vs the Havoc at 2.50, with a little cover added(Fang), this ball should actually roll slightly earlier then the Havoc in the heads with a little stronger backend because it has a higher differential(.048 vs .043).  If you look at the reactions of the Money, Enforcer, and Assassin (which all have the power rev core), all 3 of these balls rolled a little early.  As we know, resin does pick up faster and stronger then particle in dry so maybe that's why they say to go to the Sheer when it breaks down.  

I can't personally answer your question right now regarding making the Sheer skid/flip because I haven't thrown it yet.  The Havoc turned out to be a much stronger ball then I thought it would, so I don't want to comment on that yet.  I hope some of this helps explain things...
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