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Mark T. Trgovac

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How to clean a ball video.
« on: November 07, 2006, 06:23:07 PM »
Hey guys whats up, I thought it would be a good idea to make and post a video on how to clean a bowling ball. The link is below and I use clean and dull. One of the things I say is a way to remove any residue you may see. I really never see any residue, I included this because someone els may. That step is totally optional.

http://media.putfile.com/cleaning-a-bowling-ball
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Re: How to clean a ball video.
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2006, 06:07:31 PM »
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Then tell me sir, why would one use a white pad or even suggest it if it makes no difference to the cover? I've seen many posts here that suggest the white pad has a grit rating.

 


Noy, it has a grit rating of something like 1200-1500 or more but it is not abrasive and strong enough to change the surface. Especially when only doing it lightly when cleaning the ball. I've even seen Charlest post that it is difficult to alter the surface with a white pad. Even when using a spinner and putting heavy pressure on it. I have cleaned doezens or more of polished and pearlized balls for a long-long time with it and have yet to see it change the surface, regardless of what the numbers say.

Go back and read what Dead Flush wrote above and you will see he says the same thing.

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Re: How to clean a ball video.
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2006, 06:19:34 PM »
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Brick, reread my reply. I said if you use "THAT"(800 grit) pad on a polished ball with any pressure it will dull it.

 


Legend, I DON'T NEED to re-read your reply. I KNOW what you said....You said a 800 grit pad will dull a polished ball of which I agree. I said.... A white pad on a polished ball WILL NOT dull the ball which is also correct. I wasn't questioning what you said. I was simply stating to use a white pad on a polished ball and it will not dull the ball. OK?
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Re: How to clean a ball video.
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2006, 06:58:44 PM »
Fair enough. I will agree that a white pad with little pressure will not take the polish off while cleaning, but if you press firm enough it WILL change the surface on a ball. I have used the white pads many times to adjust covers. The catch is..you have to have the grit close to the 1000 range already before using the white. If you try to jump from a green pad(600)or lower straight to a white pad it will be really tough to apply enough pressure to change the cover. If the cover is already at the 1000-1200 range, the white pad will work better and you will see the difference in the change after you throw the ball.
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Re: How to clean a ball video.
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2006, 07:55:11 PM »
I only did this to show the best way to get the ball back to box cover after some use. I in no way pressed hard in this video, I also think a white scotchbrite is closer to 1000-1200 in grit. I say this because I also have a very ungrited red scotchbrite pad that need a spinner on highspeed to really start to dull a ball. So I think that is something like 1500-2000. I agree that the dry towel with the clean and dull will work on say a ball that hasnt been used alot and it is say like a pearl, or a ball you highly polish. I use no pad what so ever when I clean my desert heat. However my video is only how to show to return a robo to box. Also if you have a ball you like polished remember that the grit you had the ball at before the polish was applied is still there under the polish. This is what makes a polished ball react different from another polished ball. If you have a ball at 400 with polish and one at 2000 and then polish, the one with the 400 grit under the polish will be a little less long and snap compaired to the 2000 and polish. I normaly dont keep my robo at 800 because of the style of player I am. I only did this to show people the best way to get that robo rule they liked oob that is losing reaction after its 45 straight game with no cleaning. I will be doing alot more videos, showing the result of abralon and polish and those will even show the reactions on the lanes. I am only do this to be helpfull to anyone who has no clue as to how to do this, and has no true proshop guy. I mean as much as we all want to say we have a proshop guy, there is alot of guys on here who buy online with shipping and drilling.
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"The Revolution has started. The sides were drawn, and if you didnt Choose the side ofEvolution you will fall to the power that it has."

and I said "PLEASE, I ONLY WANT TO GET ONE MORE BALL." he responded "THAT WAS WHAT 12 BALLS AGO." I said back "WELL, YA BUT THAT IS NOT THE POINT."

"Freak Bowling Ball cleaner of the TRACK Revolution."
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Re: How to clean a ball video.
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2006, 08:25:11 PM »
what is wrong with you guys??

ANY "grit" will cause a ball to not be shiny.

I use 1500 grit and 2000 grit sandpaper EVERYDAY, and sometimes 3000.  You tell me it would make things dull?

YOUR WRONG

working in auto painting and finishing, i get to know all the ropes.  Polishing and sanding works just about the same as balls, and most of the compounds are used on cars.

  Yes, i use abralon pads too, using them is EXACTLY like using sandpaper.  They just last a little longer.

When something is polished, all the polish does is fill in the (scratch) And when you use any type of "grit" on it will change the surface.  Granted using 3K grit paper wont cut it as fast as 1500 but it WILL eventually get completely dull.

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Re: How to clean a ball video.
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2006, 08:45:51 PM »
Folks, I showed Mark how to deep clean a bowling ball. This is the very method I have used for roughly 4yrs.

The key to NOT changing the surface of the ball is to apply VERY little to NO pressure to the pad. If you want it a tad more dull then you simply apply a touch of pressure with the pad.

I have never seen a white pad change the grit of a polished ball using this method.

I use different scotchbrites depending on the grit that it was at OOB. If a ball was 1500 smooth OOB then I use a worn grey pad.....the ball looks new.

I do not like using a spinner to clean a ball....deep cleaning or not. I have seen far too many instances where the cleaner will actually "burn" into the surface of the ball. Cleaning by hand is much more affective in my opinion.

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Re: How to clean a ball video.
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2006, 09:58:02 PM »
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Folks, I showed Mark how to deep clean a bowling ball. This is the very method I have used for roughly 4yrs.

The key to NOT changing the surface of the ball is to apply VERY little to NO pressure to the pad. If you want it a tad more dull then you simply apply a touch of pressure with the pad.

I have never seen a white pad change the grit of a polished ball using this method.

I use different scotchbrites depending on the grit that it was at OOB. If a ball was 1500 smooth OOB then I use a worn grey pad.....the ball looks new.

I do not like using a spinner to clean a ball....deep cleaning or not. I have seen far too many instances where the cleaner will actually "burn" into the surface of the ball. Cleaning by hand is much more affective in my opinion.

Goodluck,
Carl

 


Thanks for your input Carl. It backs up what some of us that know what we are talking about from both knowledge and experience, have been saying here. In fact if you will recall, you are the one that taught me to do it like Scoot showed in his video. The only place I differ from what Scoot showed is that I don't work the ball as long as he does because I clean my dull balls with C & D every 3-6 games and my polished/pearl balls every 9-12 games, so I don't have to work the cleaner that long to get them clean.

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Re: How to clean a ball video.
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2006, 08:37:46 AM »
This is exactly how I clean my balls with this stuff, except I use a towel on my high shiny stuff. It still works great though.

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Re: How to clean a ball video.
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2006, 01:02:55 PM »
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Thanks for your input Carl. It backs up what some of us that know what we are talking about from both knowledge and experience, have been saying here.  



So you think I don't know what I'm talking about? Opinions are like ass-holes...everyone has them. You feel your way is best and I feel my way is best. The end.
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Re: How to clean a ball video.
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2006, 01:07:58 PM »
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I also think a white scotchbrite is closer to 1000-1200 in grit. I say this because I also have a very ungrited red scotchbrite pad that need a spinner on highspeed to really start to dull a ball. So I think that is something like 1500-2000.  



If you have to press hard with a red(maroon) pad to get it to dull a ball, then you are using a cheap generic version pad and not a "3M-scotchbrite" pad. Remember, the grit chart that has been passed along here for several years represents the grits from "3M" brand pads. Generic pads most time are worthless.
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Re: How to clean a ball video.
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2006, 01:15:36 PM »
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 I agree that the dry towel with the clean and dull will work on say a ball that hasnt been used alot and it is say like a pearl, or a ball you highly polish.


False. The towel method will work on polished,dull,pearl,solid,particle or whatever. It does not work better for any particular one. It works excellent on all. Whether the ball have 100 games on it since cleaning last or 3 games. I clean my equipment the same way after every outing. I get a decent amount of dirt and oil off everytime.

When I clean some other peoples equipment that hardly ever take care off their stuff, I will use a whole hand towel on a couple balls. I will keep getting so much dirt and oil out of theirs, I have to use a different side of the rag and repeat. The whole towel will be black when done.
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Re: How to clean a ball video.
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2006, 07:26:14 PM »
Good video, Mark.  I welcome all the discussions (and videos) I can find on ball maintenance.  I try to clean my equipment soon after bowling so oil doesn't get too deeply absorbed.  But it's not a popular concern with a lot of the other guys I bowl with - they're content to clean their balls before their shift begins.

Thanks for taking the time to create the video.

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Mark T. Trgovac

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Re: How to clean a ball video.
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2006, 11:24:28 PM »
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I also think a white scotchbrite is closer to 1000-1200 in grit. I say this because I also have a very ungrited red scotchbrite pad that need a spinner on highspeed to really start to dull a ball. So I think that is something like 1500-2000.  



If you have to press hard with a red(maroon) pad to get it to dull a ball, then you are using a cheap generic version pad and not a "3M-scotchbrite" pad. Remember, the grit chart that has been passed along here for several years represents the grits from "3M" brand pads. Generic pads most time are worthless.
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Ok I said red not maroon, I ment red like the color of a brite shinning stop sign. If I was saying a maroon pad as you state, I would call it burgandy because maroon is the color of my corsica and the 400 grit scotchbrite pad from 3m is darker then that. Also if the ball is super dirty and you use only the towel you are not alowing the cleaning to really get into the pores of the ball. This is why you use a scotchbrite so it cuts through the dirt, grim, and oil so it can get in there and pull it out better. I never said it doesnt work just saying that when you use it on a ball say the inertia and you want to keep it as much of oob as you can. Then I say try to use a towel only so you dont remove any of the oob polish. I never made this post with the video to get people on here to start ranting on how, that isnt how I do it and my way is better. I only posted this as an guid line on as how to clean as the back of the bottle says. Some people dont truly understand the way the back of the bottle says becuase sometimes words are use on it that they may not understand. I am in no way saying that the way you clean your bowling balls is wrong, I am just saying I clean my equipment this way and people who come into the proshops equipment this way. I just think I get a better clean with the pads and no spinner. I also know that I not only clean my equipment this way but, many of the people who come into carls proshop have me do their equipment this way and in the almost 3 years I have done it, not once as any of the almost 25 people with at least 2 none plastic balls, said that the way I did there ball not work to the way they wanted (said this in a meaning it way).
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"The Revolution has started. The sides were drawn, and if you didnt Choose the side ofEvolution you will fall to the power that it has."

and I said "PLEASE, I ONLY WANT TO GET ONE MORE BALL." he responded "THAT WAS WHAT 12 BALLS AGO." I said back "WELL, YA BUT THAT IS NOT THE POINT."

"Freak Bowling Ball cleaner of the TRACK Revolution."
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Re: How to clean a ball video.
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2006, 12:07:22 AM »
Scoot, you did great. The video was great. You did a great job of showing how to clean a ball. The way you were cleaning it was taught to you by Carl of whom has been successful cleaning like that for 4 years. Carl taught me and I have been successful cleaning like that for 2 years. Countless others have been successful cleaning balls that same way, so just ignore that one person that keeps disputing how you clean the ball, what you use, and etc. It works for you, it works for Carl, it works for me, it works for countless others, so that is all that matters is that .......IT WORKS!

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Re: How to clean a ball video.
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2006, 12:21:27 AM »
I picked up at walmart a cleaning pad/sponge that was labeled non-scratching.  I use it with my clean and dull.  I use the abrasive side with the clean and dull.  Then I spray water on the ball and use the sponge side to absorb the water and finally finish with a clean towel.  dulls my ball without any scuffing marks.  I really like clean and dull as compared to the Black Magic particle cleaner.
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